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03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:17 am

WTR wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:03 pm There are also reports that people were shouting that the deceased was Security. I think we have a tragic mistake made by an Officer who has never learned to ID your target before pulling the trigger.

I read that also and my first thought was of how people screaming "He is a security guard" may have confused the cop. Maybe the cop thought the guy on the ground was the security guard and the guy with his knee on him was about to shoot the security guard. Using a non descriptor word like "He" can cause a serious misunderstanding in a situation like that. The cop may have thought he needed to act fast to save the security guards life.

Allons wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:57 pm Coming up on a scene with people still around and a guy subdued with a knee in his back and a gun drawn on him would not make me pull out a gun and shoot first.

Noggin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:23 pm

MaduroBU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:43 pm I was taught that the only reason for a CHL to draw his or her weapon is to fire it immediately. This is one of the hundreds of bad outcomes associated with trying to be a junior LEO. They have vast advantages in backup, arms, public perception, and legal recourse and possibly also training. We have only a small pistol, maybe one backup mag, maybe the element if surprise, and the presumption that we feared for our own life or the lives of others. We cannot afford to give up ANY of those resources, and if we give any of them up, it's often a disaster for us.

I tried to make a similar point earlier which another poster did not seem to approve of.

Noggin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:28 pm I am surprised nobody has pointed out that had the security guard shot the BG rather than tried to detain him he could then have holstered or laid down his weapon before LEO appeared, in which case he would probably still be alive. Therefore if the situation does permit the use of lethal force maybe you should not hesitate. We LTCs are not LEOs it is not our function to enforce the law or to arrest people, therefore we are potentially a greater threat to the lives of BGs than LEOs are.