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tomneal wrote:Put me as a Plus 1 on wallet out.
I don't get stopped very often. When I have, the officer spent minutes not seconds getting to the window to chat. In that length of time, I have Licenses (TDL & CHL), and proof of insurance in my hand. My hands on the wheel. Windows open... There was plenty of time to accomplish those tasks and to get a little board.

One of the things that struck me on Philando Castile was in the early articles, he had been pulled over more times in 18 months before he died, than I have in my whole life. Including at least once by the officer that shot and killed him. With all the questions about the individual officer. Training, attitude, ... What was going on with the Philando Castile (his car or his driving) and/or local police policies that caused that many interactions?

steveincowtown wrote:I've watched all the videos multiple times and what I see is nothing short of manslaughter and poor discipline by the LEO when he started to shoot.

Just my opinion....

tx85 wrote:

Alaska2texas wrote:he then mentioned the firearm calmly while keep in mind a woman and child were in the vehicle.

To a rational person, the notion that someone would attack a police officer with a child present seems ludicrous. However, most criminals are not rational people. Here's a traffic stop in which the criminal beats a female police officer unconscious while his little girl watches.

Police officers can not assume that just because a child is present that they are not in any danger.

If the man meant any harm whatsoever, he probably wouldnt have given the officer a heads up that he was carrying.

Again, most criminals are not rational people. It's not unheard of for criminals to volunteer that they have illegal items in the vehicle before the officer has even finished asking "Do you know why I stopped you?". In this case there was more than one instance of irrational behavior:
Castile had been cited three times in the past for having marijuana in his vehicle, yet he continued to keep marijuana in his vehicle. This is not rational behavior.
Castile was prohibited from possessing guns due to his unlawful drug use, yet he still told the officer that he was in possession of a gun. This is not rational behavior.

I do think that the tragic outcome in this case could have been avoided if the officer had been better trained. However, it could have also been avoided if Castile hadn't been possessing a gun illegally or if he had not been under the influence of an illegal drug (as per the autopsy report) that possibly reduced his ability to comply with the officer's order.

Keith B wrote:

WTR wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

WTR wrote:

JohnDoe wrote:I wanted to share a video released this evening of a Minnesota Police Officer that defended himself during a traffic stop. This video shows what not to do when you are pulled over by a police officer and are carrying a weapon. In my opinion, this tragic event could have been prevented by simply following the officer's clear and simple instructions. The officer seemed calm until he saw him reach for the weapon.

Prayers to the families and everyone involved in this unfortunate event.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 3a27e388d5

What evidence do you have that the man was doing nothing but reaching for his license as instructed and not a weapon? Why inform the Officer you are armed and then reach for the weapon? I see an Officer over reacting.

What evidence do you have that the driver wasn't reaching for a gun? On what do you base your opinion that the officer overreacted? The only person who saw inside that car was the officer.

The jury heard the evidence, we didn't.

Chas.

From the video from inside the car no gun was shown unholstered and the girl friend said he was reaching for his license.

If he had allowed it to be upholstered, it would have been too late.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

WTR wrote:

JohnDoe wrote:I wanted to share a video released this evening of a Minnesota Police Officer that defended himself during a traffic stop. This video shows what not to do when you are pulled over by a police officer and are carrying a weapon. In my opinion, this tragic event could have been prevented by simply following the officer's clear and simple instructions. The officer seemed calm until he saw him reach for the weapon.

Prayers to the families and everyone involved in this unfortunate event.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 3a27e388d5

What evidence do you have that the man was doing nothing but reaching for his license as instructed and not a weapon? Why inform the Officer you are armed and then reach for the weapon? I see an Officer over reacting.

What evidence do you have that the driver wasn't reaching for a gun? On what do you base your opinion that the officer overreacted? The only person who saw inside that car was the officer.

The jury heard the evidence, we didn't.

Chas.

JohnDoe wrote:I wanted to share a video released this evening of a Minnesota Police Officer that defended himself during a traffic stop. This video shows what not to do when you are pulled over by a police officer and are carrying a weapon. In my opinion, this tragic event could have been prevented by simply following the officer's clear and simple instructions. The officer seemed calm until he saw him reach for the weapon.

Prayers to the families and everyone involved in this unfortunate event.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 3a27e388d5