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I don't own a semi that doesn't have a downward safety off movement. Clicking the safety off is part of my addressing the pistol.

WTR

tbryanh wrote:You need to be safe from the gun, and you need the gun to make you safe.

1. To be safe from the gun, you need to avoid accidental and negligent discharges.

2. For the gun to make you safe, it needs to fire when you pull the trigger.

Thumb safeties can be excellent when it comes to 1, but they can cause problems when it comes to 2.

If you ever need to fire your weapon in self defence, chances are your going to be nervous and jittery with an overdose of adrenalin pumping through your system. You might pull the trigger without taking the safety off first, and when the gun doesn't fire, your mind might freeze up for a split second making you unable to figure out what the problem is in time to protect yourself.

This might sound far fetched, but its not. While I have not been in any gunfights, I have driven a car for many decades. On a few occasions when I tried to stop the car, I hit the gas pedal instead of the brake. I knew there was a problem, but I didn't know what the cause of the problem was. My foot was stuck to the gas pedal, and my mind froze up for a split second. Luckily my mind snapped out of it in time to move my foot to the brake and stop the car. Similar things can happen when deploying guns that have thumb safeties.

If the gun doesn't fire when you pull the trigger, the gun is not a safe gun.

We obviously have different understandings as to what a safety on a gun is designed for.

WTR

parabelum wrote:I'd say that thumb safety,for me at least, is an additional step that I see as disadvantageous in self defense scenario. I could get better with practice I'm sure, but, while I love my Gold Cup and I think that it's the prettiest gun I've ever owned, my Glock rides with me all the time.

I was not addressing as to which pistol was most pretty. If that were the case I would nominate the 1911 or BHP for a semi auto pistol. I was responding to which inert object is more safe, one with a safety or one without a safety. I was not addressing the subject of what one considers a more deploy able weapon either. In the deploy able vain, I would make the argument that the majority of people would make a much or accurate "first shot" from a pistol in single action mode than double action mode. Personally, I could careless what weapon one chooses to care. However, I believe that the statement that a Sig is the safest pistol is ridiculous. In respect to your Glock, I seem to recall the term "Glock leg", not 1911 leg or H & k leg. I believe stereo types are earned and not given.

WTR

tbryanh wrote:
WTR wrote:
tbryanh wrote:I also feel the Sig is the safest pistol out there. That is why I chose it.
I don't know how you could make that argument when a 1911 has both a grip and thumb safety and mt H & K has both a decocker and a thumb safety.
Thumb safeties are considered by many to be a hazard when trying to deploy a weapon. I buy into that philosophy, so I consider a thumb safety to be a hazard.

You have a problem with a thumb safety, that's a you problem not a pistol safety problem.

WTR

tbryanh wrote:I also feel the Sig is the safest pistol out there. That is why I chose it.

I don't know how you could make that argument when a 1911 has both a grip and thumb safety and mt H & K has both a decocker and a thumb safety.

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