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- Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:22 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: CHL Instructors class
- Replies: 119
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Re: CHL Instructors class
- Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:59 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: CHL Instructors class
- Replies: 119
- Views: 11301
Re: CHL Instructors class
Here's the section from the PC. Until it is changed HERE I don't care what the instructors or the DPS legal folks say it's just their opinion. Emphasis added.
PC §30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY
CONCEALED HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the
license holder:
(1) carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter
411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent;
and
(2) received notice that:
(A) entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed
handgun was forbidden; or
(B) remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was
forbidden and failed to depart.
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner
of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner
provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.
(c) In this section:
(1) “Entry” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.05(b).
(2) “License holder” has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035(f).
(3) “Written communication” means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language
identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code
(trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person
licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code
(concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed
handgun”; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both
English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one
inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the
public.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property
on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a
governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the
license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section
46.03 or 46.035
PC §30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY
CONCEALED HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the
license holder:
(1) carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter
411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent;
and
(2) received notice that:
(A) entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed
handgun was forbidden; or
(B) remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was
forbidden and failed to depart.
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner
of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner
provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.
(c) In this section:
(1) “Entry” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.05(b).
(2) “License holder” has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035(f).
(3) “Written communication” means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language
identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code
(trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person
licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code
(concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed
handgun”; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both
English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one
inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the
public.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property
on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a
governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the
license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section
46.03 or 46.035
- Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:23 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: CHL Instructors class
- Replies: 119
- Views: 11301
Re: CHL Instructors class
My question to you is - - - did one of the DPS troopers teaching the class tell you about the signage or was it the woman who is the head attorney tell you that any sign is enforceable. If it was the attorney I would take anything she says with a couple of grains of salt.
My own take on the issue - - - if they have any no weapons/guns signs I take it they don't want my gun packing money and prefer not do business with anyone who posts their premises.
I do not teach my students to obey anything but a valid 30.06 sign and a 51% sign - - - that's what the PC says - - - until there is case law or an AG opinion on this matter I will continue to teach this.
My own take on the issue - - - if they have any no weapons/guns signs I take it they don't want my gun packing money and prefer not do business with anyone who posts their premises.
I do not teach my students to obey anything but a valid 30.06 sign and a 51% sign - - - that's what the PC says - - - until there is case law or an AG opinion on this matter I will continue to teach this.