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by jason812
Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:30 am
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Topic: Massive explosion in Beiruit today
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Re: Massive explosion in Beiruit today

Grayling813 wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:39 am Before and after picture of the explosion site. Huge crater. If the ammonium nitrate was on the floor of the warehouse at ground level, why did the explosion create a deep crater? Seems like the force of the blast at ground level would have completely collapsed the adjacent grain elevators.

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It appears that the grain silos were full. Hence they would act like giant sand bags and be hard to completely flatten. The West explosion also left a pretty good size crater.

I'm not saying that this wasn't intentional and I'm not saying it was.
by jason812
Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:25 am
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Re: Massive explosion in Beiruit today

The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:02 am Here I was, thinking in terms of US tons. Turns out, it was 2750 METRIC tons of explosives, which is 3031.356 US tons....or 6,062,712 pounds. A small factoid, but interesting to me. What’s a other 281.356 tons, give or take? To put things into perspective, the Oklahoma City bombing used 7000 lbs of explosives....or 35 US tons. Thus, the difference in measurement between metric tons and US tons in Beirut was 8 times larger than then ENTIRE Oklahoma City bomb.

Another way of looking at it: A 2000-lb bunker buster bomb (BLU-109, actually weighing 1,927 lbs) contains 530 lbs of high explosives....or .240404 metric tons of explosive. I'm no kind of explosives expert at all, but if my math is right, then Beirut explosion was roughly the equivalent of 11,439 2000-lb bunker busters going off, minus the shrapnel.
7,000 lbs is 3.5 tons, not 35 tons. I hate doing math and trying to type at the same time. Seems like I always make a mistake.

The West explosion was 270 tons. This was over 10 times larger than that.
by jason812
Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:42 pm
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Re: Massive explosion in Beiruit today

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html
As Lebanon's investigation into the devastating blast in Beirut continues, officials have pointed to a possible cause: A massive shipment of agricultural fertilizer that authorities say was stored in the port of Beirut without safety precautions for years -- despite warnings by local officials.

Documents newly reviewed by CNN reveal that a shipment of 2,750 metric tons of ammonium nitrate arrived in Beirut on a Russian-owned vessel in 2013. The ship, named the MV Rhosus, was destined for Mozambique -- but stopped in Beirut due to financial difficulties that also created unrest with the ship's Russian and Ukrainian crew.

Once it arrived, the ship never left Beirut's port, according Lebanon's Director of Customs, Badri Daher, despite repeated warnings by him and others that the cargo was the equivalent of "a floating bomb."
Due to the extreme danger posed by this stored items in unsuitable climate conditions, we reiterate our request to the Port Authorities to re-export the goods immediately to maintain the safety of the port and those working in it," Daher's predecessor, Chafic Merhi, wrote in a 2016 letter addressed to a judge involved in the case.

Lebanese authorities have not named the MV Rhosus as the source of the substance that ultimately exploded in Beirut on Tuesday, but Prime Minister Hassan Diab said the devastating blast was caused by 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate. He added that the substance had been stored for six years at the port warehouse without safety measures, "endangering the safety of citizens."

Lebanon's general security chief also said a "highly explosive material" had been confiscated years earlier and stored in the warehouse, which is just a few minutes' walk from Beirut's shopping and nightlife districts. Tuesday's massive explosion, which rocked the capital, left at least 135 dead and 5,000 injured.

On Wednesday, Lebanese Information Minister Manal Abdel Samad Najd said there are papers and documents dating back to 2014 proving the existence of an exchange of information about the "material" confiscated by Lebanese authorities. She told Jordan's state-owned channel Al Mamlaka that the exchange is being considered in relation to the potential cause of the deadly Beirut blast.

In 2013, the MV Rhosus set off from Batumi, Georgia, destined for Mozambique, according to the vessel's path and the account of its captain Boris Prokoshev.

It was carrying 2,750 metric tons of ammonium nitrate, an industrial chemical commonly used around the world as a fertilizer -- and in explosives for mining.

The Moldovan-flagged ship stopped in Greece to refuel. That's when the ship's owner told the Russian and Ukrainian sailors that he had run out of money and they would have to pick up additional cargo to cover the travel costs -- which led them on a detour to Beirut.

The vessel was owned by a company called Teto Shipping which members of the crew said was owned by Igor Grechushkin, a Khabarovsk businessman who resided in Cyprus.

Once in Beirut, the MV Rhosus was detained by local port authorities due to "gross violations in operating a vessel," unpaid fees to the port, and complaints filed by the Russian and Ukrainian crew , according to the Seafarers' Union of Russia (affiliated with the International Transport Workers' Federation, or ITF), which represented the Russian sailors, told CNN.

It never resumed its journey.
According to emails exchanged by Prokoshev and a Beirut-based lawyer Charbel Dagher, who represented the crew in Lebanon, the ammonium nitrate was unloaded in Beirut's port by November 2014 and stored in a hangar.

It was then kept in that hangar for six years, despite repeated warnings from the Director of Lebanese Customs, Badri Daher, of the "extreme danger" that the cargo posed.

But public court documents CNN obtained through the prominent Lebanese human rights activist, Wadih Al-Asmar, reveal that Daher and his predecessor, Merhi, turned to Beirut's courts to help dispose of the dangerous goods multiple times from 2014 onwards.
It would appear there was vast incompetence with what to do with the cargo. This incompetence could have unintentionally allowed nefarious actors to use the ammonium nitrate as a bomb. Or it could have just been a very bad accident.

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