Another thought, not about calling 911, but when considering all the sources of advice - Paul Huebl, "A very wise man that owns this forum..." Massad Ayoob, that law professor who says never talk to the police etc...
All of these people have their experience in specific environments. In Paul Huebl's case, he started out as a cop in Chicago. He works as a PI and I think his base is in Arizona, but a lot of his work is in California. Massad Ayoob is in Massachusetts (last time I looked), and those are very different regimes from Texas or Indiana. On the whole, I think Texas is more reasonable and open-minded to armed citizens defending themselves than Mass or Cali, and in general this affects how most police and prosecutors view the situation.
But of course is it not a sure bet, and not every cop or jurisdiction in Texas is the same, so I still think saying as little as possible and letting a lawyer handle most of it is good advice. What's up for discussion is "how little". Huebl is one on far end of that little spectrum, and it is likely that in the less-free parts of the US, that could indeed be the best advice. Me I tend more towards calling when it's safe and making myself the complainant, pointing out the bad guy and any weapons he used, but I am not going to get so wrapped around "being first" that I fail to first make sure I am (again, relatively) safe.
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- Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:35 pm
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Paul Huebl is an interesting commentator. He is a former policeman, Chicago I believe, and has been an PI for a long time, mostly in support of criminal defense attorneys IIRC. I haven't read his stuff for a long time, but when I did he was staunchly pro2A, and staunchly pro-defendant, loved the entertainment and media aspects of stuff, and often had an interesting, contrarian opinion about high-profile cases of the day. I haven't watched the whole video yet, but from the first few minutes it appears he hasn't changed much in this regard. His website/blog is here: http://www.crimefilenews.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
Oh, and here's a recent post where he describes himself: http://www.crimefilenews.com/2015/02/pe ... ly-do.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As for leaving the scene, then calling 911 -- The whole point of a "self-defense shooting" is to survive with as few injuries as possible, so if the scene is still not safe for me and mine, we will depart and go somewhere where it is (relatively) safe for me and mine and then call the cops. I'm not going to worry so much about whether it "looks bad" or not -- first, survive the situation, then deal with the "after", including calling 911. If everything seems cool at the scene, then sure, I will stay and call from there -- I'm not going to always stay put or always leave. But calling 911 and all that is not job one.
Oh, and here's a recent post where he describes himself: http://www.crimefilenews.com/2015/02/pe ... ly-do.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As for leaving the scene, then calling 911 -- The whole point of a "self-defense shooting" is to survive with as few injuries as possible, so if the scene is still not safe for me and mine, we will depart and go somewhere where it is (relatively) safe for me and mine and then call the cops. I'm not going to worry so much about whether it "looks bad" or not -- first, survive the situation, then deal with the "after", including calling 911. If everything seems cool at the scene, then sure, I will stay and call from there -- I'm not going to always stay put or always leave. But calling 911 and all that is not job one.