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philip964 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:18 pm https://www.inquisitr.com/6350396/fligh ... rash-site/

They know where it is!

Supposedly.

This is basically the same story, on a different web site, that I linked to a couple posts above, with the same misleading headline. They don't know where it is. They think the know where it probably is.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:57 pm

I have to wonder if there is going to be anything left to find. If it has not been corroded by the water yet, it is likely covered in silt.

I think there will be "something." They still find WWII planes in the Pacific waters. Not in great shape, but they are recognizable. I think it will be possible that the data on the flight data recorders can be recovered, if they can find them.

MH370 sleuths say they’ve found the crash site of the doomed aircraft in Indian Ocean and call for search to resume

The headline overstates it a bit, the "sleuths" don't say they've found it, they think it's the most probably place and want it searched again.

MaduroBU wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:35 pm

ELB wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:22 pm I would guess that most suicidal people do not care about other people, but this generally results in them not really caring about how their death affects others. They justify it to themselves by “they’re better off without me,” but they are so focused on their own pain they cannot empathize with anyone else’s.

A suicidal sociopath, who already cares nothing for others, will think nothing of taking several hundred people with him.

That makes sense to a point, but then why go to the trouble of killing so many people? If you broaden the horizon to include other similar patterns of behavior like mass shooters, in every case the killer could've committed suicide in a more certain fashion had they chosen to kill only themselves. Zahaire would've been throw into a hellish Malaysian prison had he failed, while Paddock or the engineer in Virginia would've been thrown into prison lives that they were very poorly adapted to withstand. In all cases, suicide would've then become much harder. If the goal was, "I am in terrible pain and I want to end it all", then the machinations required to murder strangers were DIRECTLY OPPOSED to that goal even for people who didn't care at all who they had to hurt to kill themselves. The argument that their reasoning was blinded by pain doesn't hold water given the meticulous and successful planning that went into all of these attacks.

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In Zahaire's case, I think you are grossly overstating how difficult or risky it was for him to hijack his own plane. It wasn't difficult at all for him, flying that plane was something he had already spent thousands of hours doing, in exactly the airspace he chose (meaning he knew the likely reactions of air traffic control and the Malaysian air force). Really, the only odd thing he had to due was subdue the copilot, which could have been as easy as asking him to go aft and locking the door behind him. After that he could fly it into the ground or the ocean any time he chose. In this case, he chose to fly off into the Indian ocean. Cutting off communications and killing the passengers by depressurization were not absolutely necessary for his plans, but the fact that he was able to do it just meant he had longer to fly away before crashing, since no one outside the plane was notified that something was wrong.

As for the sociopath aspect -- we don't know for sure that Zahaire was in fact a sociopath, but crashing an airliner with a couple hundred people in it is a pretty strong clue. Others had noticed changes in him prior to that flight, but either didn't want to act on them, and/or they didn't seem serious enough to act on. And if he was sociopathic, then he was also very good at masking his inner, true self and people would not have seen him coming anyway.

ETA:

The argument that their reasoning was blinded by pain doesn't hold water given the meticulous and successful planning that went into all of these attacks.

I wasn't arguing that Zahaire (or any other sociopathic mass killer) was blinded by his own pain. I was referring most suicides, which are individual and by people whose mental state has deteriorated to a complete focus on their own problems and pain - I think they lose the ability to be concerned with anyone else. I was contrasting the suicidal sociopaths with this. Sociopaths don't care about other people in the first place, so when they decide to exit in a blaze of killing they care even less about those they take with them. The whole killing spree is about themselves, drawing attention to themselves.

I would guess that most suicidal people do not care about other people, but this generally results in them not really caring about how their death affects others. They justify it to themselves by “they’re better off without me,” but they are so focused on their own pain they cannot empathize with anyone else’s.

A suicidal sociopath, who already cares nothing for others, will think nothing of taking several hundred people with him.

The Malaysians and search officials sound pretty skeptical....but if it is not MH370, I wonder if they found another aircraft? Somebody should be checking known crash sites and missing planes for that area.

Beiruty wrote:I told you, it was stolen!
Now, the 1-billion dollars questions:
Why in the world the US classified satellite network could not track it!
Where is NORAD?

NORAD is near Colorado Springs, Colorado. It provides airspace and maritime warning forthe North American continent -- it is a joint operation of the US and Canada. Malaysia is a wee bit outside its sphere of responsibility.

"National Assets" as our friends in the black world like to call them often have very focused missions -- taking high resolution pictures of specific places, monitoring for nuclear explosions, watching for missile launches and the like. Tracking, or even observing, every airplane in the world is a huge mission, and there may very well be no satellites with the particular capability of tracking or observing all flying aircraft. There may not be a satellite system even for focusing on one specific aircraft and tracking it. (And if we do have such a system, we may not want anyone to know about it or how well it works).

There may be a satellite that happened to be pointed at the Malaysia area, and has some kind of surveillance data that did pick up the aircraft as it moved, but someone is going to have to sort through all that data and find that tiny (relatively speaking) object out of all the other planes in the area (air corridors can be quite crowded, actually), and then... decide if we want to let the world know we have the capability to do this. "Spying" on the rest of the world has gotten some bad press lately.)

SewTexas wrote:
that's what I've been wondering? I can be on the highway and the gps will know which lane I'm in....why did no one know that this PLANE was going the wrong direction???

Oh, someone in that plane knew which lane they were in and which direction they were going. They just werent' telling anyone else (just like your GPS doesn't tell anyone else. At least not yet. If the tax agencies have their way, that will come about sooner or later). There are thousands and thousands of airplanes in the air at anyone time, and there is not the capability (yet) to independently (of the aircraft) to track all of them. Most tracking over open water consists of the pilot telling the air controllers when he leaves a point, where he is, how high he is, and when he is going to get to the next point, either verbally or by IFF transponder, or both. If he stops talking, the aircraft "disappears."

Given the latest reports, I think somebody has himself a new airplane parked someplace...without any passengers on it anymore.