Apples and apples. People sitting in presumably safe areas, found out they were wrong.poppo wrote:Apples and oranges. Pubilc place vs private residence.Oldgringo wrote:Those folk in that church in Illinois probably felt the same way...last month.
poppo wrote:My point above was that the door should not have been able to be kicked down in the first place. And do you folks carry while you are in the shower too?LittleGun wrote: Too bad that when they kicked down his door, he didn't have his gun."
The "beefing up" part has been more than adequately addressed. Let me add this: Carrying your gun in your holster is the safest place for it, period, regardless of whether you think you are in a "safe" area. You know where it is, you know its status, you are not going to walk off and forget it, no one is going to find it, and when the call comes you don't have to run around and remember where you stashed it. Do I carry in the shower? Obviously not. So? Because there is one place in the house where I don't carry, the whole idea is invalid? Obviously a trivial argument. You can bet it is not far away tho. No I don't carry every second of the day in every room of the house. But most of the time I am up and dressed, and there really isn't any good reason NOT to have my gun holstered. It's the best, safest, most ready place for it.poppo wrote:I guess I'm lucky not to live in an area where I would feel the need to carry around the house ... I guess I just can't imagine feeling the need to carry in my own home.
I ran across this on some other forums and in my email. Apparently the armed good guy here was a student of both John Farnam and Gabe Suarez, because both report getting similar emails. Here is Farnam's:
I believe this is the same event:10 Mar 09
A student emerges victorious from a dangerous confrontation:
"Back in 2000, you provided handgun training to a large class, including me.
I had been a target competitor for many years, but your class changed my
paradigm to serious, tactical application, rather than casual recreation.
Two
things stuck with me most: (1) Spin your OODA Loop quickly, and (2) when a
fight is unavoidable, be stitching and moving!
Thank you! That philosophical shift saved my life this last February!
Late on a weekday afternoon last month, two home-invasion suspects kicked in
the front door of my home, as I sat watching television. I was alone in the
house at the time. There was no warning, nor did I have any reason to
suspect such a thing would happen to me that day, or any day. I remember being
astonished as I saw the bottom of a foot still raised as my door lurched open,
amid a shower of splinters!
The door-kicker, and an accomplice, burst in, and, seeing me, rushed toward
me. I was wearing my G38 (45GAP) in a Comp-Tac holster. It was loaded with
WW 230gr Ranger ammunition. I sprung to my feet and drew my pistol
simultaneously. At a distance of less than eight feet, I found my front sight and
began firing at the closest suspect, while I was still in motion.
As it turns out, I fired seven shots. All seven struck the first suspect
(the door-kicker). His accomplice was behind him and immediately fled,
unharmed as far as I know. In fact, he fled in such haste that he abandoned his
getaway car, leaving the engine running! Police subsequently found much stolen
property in the car.
The suspect I shot stumbled backward and fell in the doorway, never moving
after he went down.
I scanned, reloaded, took cover behind a corner, and checked myself over.
When police arrived, they found the suspect I had shot, DRT. The second
suspect has not been arrested as far as I know. I was unhurt.
Of the seven hits on the first suspect, one in the neck and one in the chest
proved fatal. I was told that either of those two shots would probably have
been fatal by itself. Being cold at the time, both suspects were wearing
heavy clothing, and multiple layers of clothing frustrated expansion, and
penetration, of the other five. They may have been effective, but I'll never know.
Here is what others among your students can learn from my experience:
(1) When at home, stay armed! If my gun had been locked in a safe, or even
in a drawer and unloaded, I never could have reacted effectively in time.
Be
armed all the time, no matter where you are!
(2) Multiple shots from your pistol will probably be necessary to stop any
fight decisively, no matter what caliber or brand of ammunition you're using.
As a category, pistols are poor fight-stoppers. Accordingly, pistols that
hold lots of ammunition, and that can be reloaded quickly, represent a real
advantage!
(3) Be prepared to react instantly! Sometimes, there are warning signs.
Sometimes, there are none! In order to live through your next lethal
encounter, you'll have to be able to spin your OODA Loop fast.
(4) Finish the fight! Don't relax too soon. Scan, reload, get distance,
get cover. Be prepared for anything!
(5) Whatever you do, it won't be perfect! Don't worry about being perfect.
Just act decisively, without hesitation. Do what has to be done, with
grace and enthusiasm. Don't look back, and don't worry about what might have
been!"
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