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Maxwell wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:35 am

cyphertext wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 1:50 pm What kind of sight picture are you using? I don't have a Hellcat, but when I got my Sig P290, I constantly shot low. Found that I was not using the correct sight picture. I was trying to use the center hold sight picture, where the top of my sights would split the target in half. I then learned that the Sig pistol was set up for "combat sight picture" where you align the dots on the front and rear like normal, but you cover the center of the target with the dot.

Not sure if that is your issue, but just a thought.

This is very possible. I found most non-American designed (Sig, Walther, HK, many Beretta, etc. ) use the combat sight picture. The Hellcat is an HS Product (Croatia) so it probably does the same which would account for the low hits. For the left/right you are probably not jerking, but you may be pushing, look at your trigger finger placement. It is a different grip than you're use to and that affects where your finger is. If shooting left, add more finger, in other words move the trigger closer to you first crease in your finger (for right handed shooters). If shooting right, move the trigger closer to the tip of your finger.

Every gun is different. The Hellcat is a nice little piece of work but you will always have growing pains new kitten (all puns intended...)

If all of that doesn't work, adjust the damn sights to fit your personal style.

AndyC wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:57 pm

Medley86 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:57 pm Since I have determined that the left is all down to something I'm doing, what should I do to correct it?

The length of your trigger isn't ideal for the length of your trigger-finger (a little too long is most common) - and/or you were snatching the trigger at the last instant to "make" the pistol fire, causing the muzzle to move slightly left, as the rear of the pistol-grip is rotating around the pivot-point of the web of your shooting hand.

Shoot slower and more deliberately, making sure to pull the tigger straight back without favoring one side or another.

Medley86 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:57 pm When I dry fire I don't have a problem with the sights dipping

That's because you KNOW it's empty - so you're not flinching then. Flinching is mostly nudging the muzzle downward to try and control the recoil (before it even starts) - this is caused by pulling the trigger too fast (right at the end to try and "make" the pistol fire and get it over with). Because you know that it's about to go bang and recoil at that instant, you're nudging the muzzle down and the shot strikes low.

Overall, you need to fight that urge to control exactly when the pistol fires - instead, "let" the pistol fire in its own time - your job is to keep the sights aligned as best you can until that happens. Pull the trigger back steadily and (this is the hardest part) stop trying to make it fire; allow it to happen. This is the 'surprise break' - if you do it correctly, you get surprised when the shot goes off.

strogg wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:37 pm A trick I learned is to put a snap cap or two somewhere in the magazine. It's best to have a friend load them so you have no idea where they are. Then you can be much more aware of when and how you flinch when it occurs. It is also helpful to do that to practice clearing malfunctions.

Also, are you using magazines with the pinkie rest? Or is your pinkie dangling? I found that with the way I shoot, the pinkie on the grip increases accuracy and recoil control by a wide margin. My groups shrink, I have zero flinch, felt recoil feels less, and the sights magically go back on target after every shot. It's not as quick as a full size, but it's very manageable. It's amazing what a pinkie finger can do to stabilize a pistol. After I found that out with an LC9s I had, I've decided that pocket-sized 9mm pistols are not for me.

cyphertext wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 1:50 pm What kind of sight picture are you using? I don't have a Hellcat, but when I got my Sig P290, I constantly shot low. Found that I was not using the correct sight picture. I was trying to use the center hold sight picture, where the top of my sights would split the target in half. I then learned that the Sig pistol was set up for "combat sight picture" where you align the dots on the front and rear like normal, but you cover the center of the target with the dot.

Not sure if that is your issue, but just a thought.

strogg wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 12:39 pm The only handguns I've needed to sight in initially are revolvers. I've only had two bottom feeders that didn't shoot right out of the box. The first one is a Rock Island 1911 which had a bad barrel fitment, so the sights weren't the problem. The second is an FN that was ammo sensitive. Hotter ammo shot higher. But there was no issue with left/right accuracy.

When you look at the sights from the top view, do both the front and rear sights look perfectly centered on the slide? Normally, they should be perfectly centered from the factory, but you never know when someone may have fallen asleep when installing them on your gun. You may need to drift one of them back center. If they're already centered, then you'd want to look elsewhere.

Also, has anyone else shot the gun with similar results? That would eliminate the human factor.

parabelum wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 8:11 pm I know that when I shoot low left it’s usually me flinching

Seriously though, at what distance were you firing?