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TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:And that is not over zealous. That's actually the very minimum required.

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:Good lord, a whole motmot y'all own boats!!! Hahaha

Okay. Let's be serious for a second and let's compare your firearms transfer to what happens when you transfer a boat.

In the great State of Tejas (I live just outside San Antonio, so believe me, it's TEJAS) when you sell a car or a boat there is a little form you need to fill out that absolves you if any liability should said car or boat be used in some criminal or malicious act. It also helps you on toll road bills!!!! Anyways...this pertains to firearms directly in that when do a "handshake deal" with someone you don't know they can really screw you. Let me tell you how. In many states it is the law that any weapon sold must have had an "example casing" pulled before sale. Connecticut and others do this. Glock does this voluntarily and many others do as well.

So you sell your handshake gun to Joe Smoe and he immediately goes and robs a bank (federal and state offense). He then shoots the teller and drops the gun on the floor and walks out.

Without the documentation of your sake you are going to get jacked up by the Feds until you show you are not the robber. In the mean time the actually criminal is farther from justice and you are at the federal building explaining to the boys in suits your alibi and if you're lucky your bank deposit showing where you deposited the funds that same day. There is a 0% chance you'll be charged or convicted of the capital offense that was committed but there is a 100% chance you'll be answering a WHOLE LOT of questions and your attorney is not go to come down there to the federal building for free. Not will likely cost your about $600 PER HOUR! for your attorney showing up helping you explain. You aren't in "custody" but you'll darn sure be questioned a bunch.

I have investigated dozens and dozens of robberies. And can tell
You first hand a firearms trace is one of the first items I do as soon as I have the weapon in evidence. Going to speak to the owner. Manufacturer will remit the FFL holder that gun was originally shipped to. FFL holder will pull his 4473 and the. I
Immediately drive to your house and kindly ask you to come with me so you can give your side. If you lawyer up. Fine by me. Mom problem. I the get subpoena for the 4474 and explain to your boss that I am coming to your car, place of business,
Wife's car, children's car, or wherever else evidence of that weapon may have been. And a judge will grant it easily!!! Why? Because someone is DEAD and that firearm is PRIME EVIDENCE NUMBER ONE on solving the case.

If you'd have nicely gotten a receipt and a photocopy of the license of the person you sold it to them the afford mentioned scenario is moot.

Do what most cops do when we sell guns to each other and civilians...get a bill of sale and use your nice smart phone to snap a picture of their driver license. If they refuse. Then no sale.

You may not know this but even as a private person under federal law if you sell a firearm during a private transfer and that person is a convicted felon then YOU have committed an offense of that person makes up good enough story where 12 jurors and 2 alternates believe his line of crap well enough when he lies and says he told you he was crazy person or had prior convictions for felonies.

People are sinners. That is our nature. It is up to us lawful people to separate ourselves from the wolves and criminals.

Jusme wrote:

TxLobo wrote:

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:You're right. You don't need a receipt. But if you transfer a firearm anywhere on Planet Earth and you don't get a receipt you're a moron.

Reckon I'm a moron..

Or careless,because mine would have been lost in a boating mishap.

TxLobo wrote:

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:You're right. You don't need a receipt. But if you transfer a firearm anywhere on Planet Earth and you don't get a receipt you're a moron.

Reckon I'm a moron..