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K.Mooneyham wrote:

ssnstump wrote:May be in the replies somewhere, but I haven't had the chance to read them all.

The only action that will carry any weight is to contact the Commanding Officer no matter the rank.
Demand to see him or her face to face and lay out what happened. I'm sure the report they received did not
detail the situation from the hunter's point of view. Base police are often private security and mostly inept.
At least those that I have seen in action.

The punnishment for those involved should as in my boot camp days - ALL in the unit even if not involved be
punished equally. This ensures this type of behavior doesn't happen again. Peers will not tolerate this when
their hide is also on the line.

Security of sensitive material has nothing to do with ruthlessness of security personel.
As long as they don't breech the fence, no law or rule is broken. PERIOD!

Sorry, but it doesn't work that way anymore. I'm a 21-year veteran of the USAF, and "retired" from active service 5 years ago, and I have two kids in the USAF. There are no more "code reds" or "blanket parties", so punishing everyone for the transgressions of a few doesn't make any difference. I'm certain that there was a bit of a stink over this incident, and I'm also certain that it's been handled.

bigity wrote:

Taypo wrote:

bigity wrote:I was stationed at GAFB from 96-99 (and still know several people still working there) and there are no active flight lines.

Most likely some new duty sergeant/officer was notified someone saw people with guns near the fence line, and had no personal knowledge of dove hunting or Texas law or anything and overreacted.

Also, as far as I am aware, there has never been an incident of someone attacking the base - so I'm not sure why leaving the base grounds and detaining citizens who are committing no crime is allowed in the first place as a first response.

And yes, the SPs get bored and will pull some stunts from time to time. I got to lay on the ground once when I was working building lockup and set off the alarm accidentally while securing one of the SCIFs. AFTER showing proper ID - heck, I knew the guy (but not well).

I was there briefly in that time period, we may have crossed paths. I was on the Army side of the post - we used to love stealing your golf carts after we'd had a few Gatorades.

We played roller hockey with a couple of Army guys, and of course B team softball (the team where the point was to drink beer and have fun) with some Army folks. I dealt with computers for the 17 TRSS.

bigity wrote:I was stationed at GAFB from 96-99 (and still know several people still working there) and there are no active flight lines.

Most likely some new duty sergeant/officer was notified someone saw people with guns near the fence line, and had no personal knowledge of dove hunting or Texas law or anything and overreacted.

Also, as far as I am aware, there has never been an incident of someone attacking the base - so I'm not sure why leaving the base grounds and detaining citizens who are committing no crime is allowed in the first place as a first response.

And yes, the SPs get bored and will pull some stunts from time to time. I got to lay on the ground once when I was working building lockup and set off the alarm accidentally while securing one of the SCIFs. AFTER showing proper ID - heck, I knew the guy (but not well).

MONGOOSE wrote:I've grown up around Ft. Bliss and adjacent ranges....we know where we are. They would have left in body bags. Last time I checked, the military issued weapons but no ammunition......been a few years though.

Animal wrote:http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/local-n ... t_15477637

Apparently these guys were hunting on private property adjacent to Goodfellow AFB and were detained by the MP's. All I can say is WOW!

From Greg Simons FB

I'm disappointed in our local Goodfellow Airforce Base Security for what they did today. On a farm field that we lease that's adjacent to the Base, surrounded b...y a security fence, they swarmed our group of 6 hunters, made them lay on their belly, spread eagle, for almost 30 minutes at gunpoint, two of them on asphalt in almost 100 degree temps and would not let them move, with our hunters pleading with them. One was laying in a red ant bed and they would not let him move. Our local police officers arrived and sorted matters out, assuring the Airforce security that all was okay. Airforce security visited with these same hunters earlier today telling them that all was good, asking who they (security) should contact to get permission to hunt the property. What's even more amazing is that our local television news was there and minutes earlier had finished filming an interview on the importance of hunting to our local economy. Appears they may have also filmed this very unfortunate event. Seems to me that Goodfellow should provide a formal apology to some folks. I'm thankful to our local police department for intervening and providing some relief to this matter.