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thetexan wrote:I can see how that might be taken as being too particular as to who informs me. That is not my intention. I was responding to what seemed to be a willingness to just roll over and play dead to any less than proper notification. My point is that, being a good, try to get along, citizen is an important thing. We are not being too snotty, though, to expect that a business follow the same law as they expect us to follow and exercise their right to keep us off their premises by properly complying with 30.06 and .07.

thetexan wrote:

Taypo wrote:

Salty1 wrote:

thetexan wrote:They can show me an employee. They can show me a policy. They can show me a sign.

Until they show me an employee who either is the owner or speaks with the APPARENT authority of the owner who verbally notifies me to leave, or shows me a written document with the identical 30.07 language written on it, or displays a properly posted compliant 30.07 sign I will have until then not been lawfully notified. And neither will anyone else.

I notice in your tag line that your a CHL Instructor. Is that what you are going to teach in your classes?

Do any of you actually read the posts?

Salty1 wrote:

thetexan wrote:They can show me an employee. They can show me a policy. They can show me a sign.

Until they show me an employee who either is the owner or speaks with the APPARENT authority of the owner who verbally notifies me to leave, or shows me a written document with the identical 30.07 language written on it, or displays a properly posted compliant 30.07 sign I will have until then not been lawfully notified. And neither will anyone else.

I notice in your tag line that your a CHL Instructor. Is that what you are going to teach in your classes?

treadlightly wrote:

Until they show me an employee who either is the owner or speaks with the APPARENT authority of the owner who verbally notifies me to leave, or shows me a written document with the identical 30.07 language written on it, or displays a properly posted compliant 30.07 sign I will have until then not been lawfully notified. And neither will anyone else.

If you already know their wishes I don't think you need to wait for any other form of notification. I'm convinced Whataburger management doesn't want me in their store unless I conceal my weapon. I've been in Whataburger enough while armed to the concealed teeth, if a modest little 9 so qualifies, to have a pretty good idea that's a non-event.

To enter Whataburger, I double-check my concealment. It's their turf.

For the record, if you enter my place of business while openly carrying a pistol, if I have time I'll probably ask how you like it, and if it has a good trigger. A safely carried firearm is not alarming. I guess I don't see the difference between the street and a gun range. An armed stranger, absent reason to think otherwise, is just like anybody else. A friend I haven't met yet, with the added interest of packing a conversation-starter.

I'll also admit to a certain level of hypocrisy. I'm more frustrated by 30.06 than I think I will be by 30.07. My lawfully concealed handgun is a foundation garment. I wouldn't kick an MDA member out of my business for wearing a thong, even if it became accidentally visible.

Never would I kick an MDA member out of my business for wearing a concealed thong. They should be kicked out because they are a threat to society. The thong, that's a personal choice. Boxer or briefs, Glock or 1911, just not my business.

cyphertext wrote:

thetexan wrote:They can show me an employee. They can show me a policy. They can show me a sign.

Until they show me an employee who either is the owner or speaks with the APPARENT authority of the owner who verbally notifies me to leave, or shows me a written document with the identical 30.07 language written on it, or displays a properly posted compliant 30.07 sign I will have until then not been lawfully notified. And neither will anyone else.

Anybody who is wearing a Whataburger uniform and refuses to serve you and asks you to leave will be acting with the APPARENT authority of the owner.

Taypo wrote:

thetexan wrote:They can show me an employee. They can show me a policy. They can show me a sign.

Until they show me an employee who either is the owner or speaks with the APPARENT authority of the owner who verbally notifies me to leave, or shows me a written document with the identical 30.07 language written on it, or displays a properly posted compliant 30.07 sign I will have until then not been lawfully notified. And neither will anyone else.

thetexan wrote:Policy is not lawfully prohibitive. Just like the old lady in the commercial says

"SHOW ME THE 30.07!!!"

ScooterSissy wrote:

jmra wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote: Could be a good tactic.

I see no advantage to OC and dont plan to do so - but this could be a good opportunity to change minds about gun owners.

If it were me being told to leave I would be courteous & make it obvious that I was leaving - but would ask the employee if he happened to be the manager (probably would be). I would then introduce myself, shake hands & explain I was a long time customer and was disappointed that the company didnt want my business. I would wish him/her a good day & leave. (I wouldnt be surprised if I was offered a gift card or something, that I would politely decline)

After bouncing several courteous and well mannered customers I think there would be a reconsideration - especially after the furor dies down.

I don't believe someone who entered an establishment for the sole purpose of being kicked out of it understands the concept of courteous and well mannered.

I disagree. If the actor never eats at the place (in other words, isn't really a customer), then I would agree. However, if a person frequents WB, and wants to exercise their rights and freedom under the law, I see nothing at all wrong ignoring a sign that has no legal weight, then when asked to leave to inform them they are losing business.

But, I have to wonder - what if no one asks them to leave? Then, it would seem, the proper thing to do would be to order a double-meat double-cheese, and sit and eat.

mojo84 wrote:

oohrah wrote:

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Here's my Tucker, just waiting for OC.

Very nice. I would like to have the same setup with a star or Texas honcho. What is the width of that belt?

LDB415 wrote:You have to wonder just a bit about people worrying over someone wearing Tucker leather. How many street scum wear a full Tucker rig or similar open carrying?

MeMelYup wrote:

VMI77 wrote:Massad Ayoob on open carry: http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/14/massa ... led-carry/

Concealed Means Concealed

If your local license requires concealed carry, keep the gun truly concealed. The revealing of a concealed handgun is seen in many quarters as a threat, which can result in charges of criminal threatening, brandishing and more. A malevolent person who wants to falsely accuse you of threatening them with a gun will have their wrongful accusation bolstered if the police find you with a gun where they said it was. Yes, that happens. Some jurisdictions allow “open carry.” I support the right to open carry, in the proper time and place, but I have found over the decades that there are relatively few ideal times or places where the practice won’t unnecessarily and predictably frighten someone the carrier had no reason to scare.

My question would be: Why is or would a person be scared if they see someone carrying a holstered firearm? If I see a person carrying a firearm, I alert, observe the body language, then know whether to be concerned or not.

Richbirdhunter wrote:

Taypo wrote:

Richbirdhunter wrote:

RetNavy wrote:Most times when i go to Whataburger its thru the drive thru so their policy doesn't bother me...

if i go in and make a order it will be as a CC.... if my gun is noticed by a customer and they mention it to me i will say thank you for your opinion and go on about my business...

if management notices and says something..... if after ordering and before receiving food i will ask for a refund and leave.... (that will probably be when getting drinks).... if after getting food, since i very seldom eat there it means I'm already leaving the place....

Seems fair

If the management at Whataburger spots your CC weapon, you've probably got bigger issues than where to eat.

I'll bet you a burger they just ask you to leave.

Richbirdhunter wrote:

RetNavy wrote:Most times when i go to Whataburger its thru the drive thru so their policy doesn't bother me...

if i go in and make a order it will be as a CC.... if my gun is noticed by a customer and they mention it to me i will say thank you for your opinion and go on about my business...

if management notices and says something..... if after ordering and before receiving food i will ask for a refund and leave.... (that will probably be when getting drinks).... if after getting food, since i very seldom eat there it means I'm already leaving the place....

Seems fair