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by TresHuevos
Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:07 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Disarmed by uninformed officer
Replies: 130
Views: 33225

Re: Disarmed by uninformed officer

mojo84 wrote:My son is working his way through college as a armed security patrol supervisor. He will tell you himself, comparing a $10-12/he standing post security guard to a full time police officer working as,part time security is very seldom going to come down in favor of the security guard when it comes to quality of training, experience and qualifications. There are exceptions to everything but all things considered, a real cop beats a rent a cop.
I believe that your son is correct in most cases. My main complaint, as a taxpayer, is the liability that the community assumes so that the police officer can make some extra money. I can't hire an off duty building inspector to come down and bless off on my family room addition can I? Why not? If a police officer can use their authority on behalf of a business owner who is paying them then the same should be true for the rest of the government employees who wish to operate on a quid pro quo basis for extra money.
by TresHuevos
Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:22 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Disarmed by uninformed officer
Replies: 130
Views: 33225

Re: Disarmed by uninformed officer

E.Marquez wrote:
TresHuevos wrote:This whole incident illuminates why I don't agree with sworn peace officers being employed as private security officers. This exposes both the officer and the employing agency to litigation and physical risk. This past October we had a Constable in our county die in an altercation while providing security at a haunted house. Full disclosure, I am a manager for a private security company and yes, police performing these off duty jobs are viewed as competition. When I place one of my people at a site they are well trained in the particular post orders for where they are working. That includes that company's weapon policies as well as who can be on site and what to do if someone is a trespasser. Obviously the same can't be said for an off duty officer who just shows up.
With all due respect... I strongly disagree.
The premise is// "personal responsibility"
I think you will agree, you and your company do not have access to any information or needed training not available to any commissioned law enforcement officer.
I think you will agree, that any officer that ask for and accepts an off duty assignment will do so with some advance warning (time before reporting for duty)
And IF that officer is professional as most are, they are completely capable of being as informed as any of your private security officers plus the come with the benefit of much broader training and background in most cases PLUS powers of arrest.

Sorry, no, you as a private security company do not have ANY advantage not available to a LEO. You are commended for taking advantage of the knowledge available to you and ensuring your employees are properly informed.. but personal responsibility applies here, the LEO (and your employee.. not you) is personally responsible to know and understand the rules, policies and laws that are going to be expected to observe, enforce, maintain.
A tall order for a LEO in general, but a simpler task for a specific job...like say maintain good order in a liquor store.
I can agree with some of what you are saying here but not all. To say that there is not ANY advantage is disingenuous. Any job at all is based on the premise of personal responsibility but, do the peace officers have a dedicated supervisor with knowledge of that post that will come by and check on them and relieve them in the case of an emergency? Can the officer simply report a felony in progress outside of his post without having to abandon that post and make an arrest? Does a private security company expose the community to a potential litigation or short/long term disability issue if the correct amount of "personal responsibility" is not exercised?
by TresHuevos
Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:28 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Disarmed by uninformed officer
Replies: 130
Views: 33225

Re: Disarmed by uninformed officer

This whole incident illuminates why I don't agree with sworn peace officers being employed as private security officers. This exposes both the officer and the employing agency to litigation and physical risk. This past October we had a Constable in our county die in an altercation while providing security at a haunted house. Full disclosure, I am a manager for a private security company and yes, police performing these off duty jobs are viewed as competition. When I place one of my people at a site they are well trained in the particular post orders for where they are working. That includes that company's weapon policies as well as who can be on site and what to do if someone is a trespasser. Obviously the same can't be said for an off duty officer who just shows up.

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