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Ralph's? Ya'll holding out on me? Is this a private or public range?

Oldgringo wrote:...BTW, the Super-Duper Wal-Mart in Security, CO (Ft. Carson) had nothing the preceeding two days. It was interesting to note that that this particular store had a lot of empty shelves where reloading components were stocked in better times...

Reloading components at a WalMart? Never heard of such a thing! Wish ours carried such things.

flynbenny wrote:B&S Guns in Garland for one. A box of 50 umc 40SW 180gr FMJ $39.99, split from a 250 rd $76 wallyworld bulkpack no less. Box of 20 Speer Gold dot 40SW, $50. My local store in Euless is selling them for half of that price, and they aren't buying walmart ammo and rebagging it. Oh and they have plenty on their shelf.

Now THAT really is gouging. Buying from a retailer and re-shelving at your own store for a second mark-up? I'm all for supporting mom & pop stores...except when they fail to support their own customers.

If they are really doing this, it stinks so high it deserves a news story. Anyone got real evidence? I'd love a photo of this stuff on their shelves so I can go interview the owners and get their explanation.

My impact is a big trade-off. My money shifts froom the factory ammo market to the gun range and reloading market.

I won't be buying any factory ammo any more because this crisis has forced me into reloading and hand casting. I'm buying primers and powder now instead. Since it's cheaper, I shoot two to three hundred (reload) rounds per week, where I used to shoot that many (factory) rounds per month. Since I'm casting and loading my own, I can afford to go to the range a lot more, so they get a range fee from me 3 or 4 times a month instead of once.

I think a lot of folks with those big stock piles will do one of two things after the run is over: go to the range more until they've burned up most of their surplus and quickly pick their former ammo spending habits back up, or maintain their surplus and buy the same amount they used to each month to go to the range with...basically rotating through their stock.

I may be wrong, but I don't think many folks are going to just sit on their pile and not go shooting. If they do, they'll be the ones that never went shooting that often to start with and were just stocking up for the 'coming apocalypse'.

EDIT: I also just thought about all the folks who ran out and bought guns during this time. Many of them will be new or returning from a hiatus to the shooting sports, so there will probably be a permanent bump (however slight) in ammunition demand once it all settles out.

Keith B wrote:1600 rounds??? That isn't hoarding, that is just a good start. 16,000 rounds is hoarding.

I know, but I can't load any more right now because of all those stinkin' primer and powder hoarders!
I have four thousand cases and bullets with nothing to fill 'em with.

cowboymd wrote:

tfrazier wrote:

cowboymd wrote:...they are now in my possession.

Hoarder!

Is it still considered hoarding if you go and shoot it up? The Mrs and I went to the range today , now I'm looking for more ammo.

Nope, accusation withdrawn! (Says the hypocrite with 1600 rounds of hand-casted reloaded .45 ACP on his desk)
Of course, I didn't say I had anything against hoarding, either.

03Lightningrocks wrote:...I submit as proof the fact that WWB is selling today at Wally World for the same price it was selling for last year. Natchez is one of the folks gouging people. Not that I would deny them the American dream. If the manufacturers were doing this, the price increases would be the same at Wally World as it is Natchez. But it is not. Wally World isn't taking a hit on every box of ammo they sell. Wally World uses NO emotion when they price merchandise. they use a formula that uses the cost of the item to them. Every bit of that increase at Natchez is dealer profit.

This thread giveth the TFrazier an idea:
If this is an agreeable measure and what 03Lightningrocks says is true, why don't we start a price comparison thread so we can keep track of which shops take advantage of us during these lean times. When happy days are here again we can all give them a little taste of good old fashioned American boycott...

Good idea? Bad idea? Anti-capitalist? Would that be biting one of the hands that feeds us?

I'm just wondering how many folks have gotten their final nudge into reloading as a result of the shortage.

I, for instance, got back into reloading after an eighteen year hiatus because I couldn't find enough ammo to satisfy my range habit. Then, when I couldn't find bullets for my reloader, I got into casting.

That means I'm out of the market from now on for factory ammo, at least for my primary practice and carry weapons.

If a lot of other folks have responded in the same manner, there should be a higher demand for reloading supplies at the close of this shortage, and slightly less demand for factory ammo...right?

I'm thinking it will be a good thing, at least for a while. Stores will respond by stocking my reloading supplies, some stores will probably start carrying reloading supplies that didn't previously, and factory ammo may even have a small price decline as a result.

Yep, I can see Sam Elliot in "We Were Soldiers" passing me in the court yard saying, "What are you now, an economist?"

cowboymd wrote:...they are now in my possession.

Hoarder!

Haha! Now that's what we should have done to poor ol' Badger. All played dumb and let him think he was going crazy.

Hey, I got an idea! Why don't we start a thread or two about the ammo shortage?