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by oljames3
Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:11 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What is a belt holster
Replies: 125
Views: 18836

Re: What is a belt holster

GlassG19 wrote::iagree:
Glockster wrote:
thetexan wrote:One of the concerns is that the holster industry itself distinguishes between a belt holster and a paddle holster. These are clearly two different animals.

Let's reverse the thought. What if the legislature had specified that the holsters for open carry had to be a shoulder or paddle holster? What kind of conversation would we be having then? It is we who are trying to make a paddle holster fit into the definition of a belt holster. If it were the other way around would we even trying to convince ourselves that a belt holster is really a paddle holster?

What we are doing is making an assumption that when the legislature said belt holster they really didn't mean that as a distinctive type as does the holster industry, but rather meant any ole holster that is carried somewhere over, on, or in the vicinity of the belt.

I wouldn't be so sure that distinction doesn't matter.

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I don't agree with those statements. Fobus reviews - and I've also seen it on their sites - say that the paddle holster is just that, a holster. They indicate that it is worn at the waistband, clipped over that -- and if you have a belt there, then it is clearly using the belt for support. Fobus also sells an attachment that fits every Fobus that also allows for your belt to be threaded through it. A paddle holster without the threaded belt clip allows you to easily attach or detach the holster, or adjust the position, without having to remove your belt. But those are the options - clipped over your belt or threaded the belt through.

I think that you're making an assumption about what was said and what was intended. For example, they said shoulder holster as an alternative. But as was pointed out here during one of the many other discussions about this topic, a shoulder harness doesn't **have** to be a particular kind of a harness so much as an indication of where it is worn. You could duck tape it to your shoulder, then you have a shoulder harness. There is no definition of what a harness is - meaning that they didn't say what a belt holder is or what a shoulder holster is.

My point is that it seems clear to me that the intent was that belt or shoulder referred to the location, and not the kind of harness. At your shoulder, or at your belt which distinguishes that from having a gun or guns strapped all over your body by those who would think that was okay to do. That is at least how I read the law and what I take away from what seems to be a very simple understanding of the words there.
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I've watched both of the Houston PD presentations, the Abilene PD presentation, graduated from my city's Citizen's Police Academy, and discussed holsters thoroughly with my city's PD Chiefs and officers. You can google the Houston and Abilene presentations. The consensus is that if it looks like a holster and does the job of a holster, it is a holster. Make your choice and carry on 1/1/16. Pick something with which you are comfortable and carry. Be as conservative as you wish. Watch what happens. Just don't let these concerns keep you from carrying.
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by oljames3
Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:18 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What is a belt holster
Replies: 125
Views: 18836

Re: What is a belt holster

TexasSix wrote:Some may take this as rude. I hope not. I am 67 years old and when i was 10 i got a Fanner 50 cap gun.
One of the high points is, it came with a holster. For 57 years i have known what a holster is, and
now it appears that knowledge is useless. A holster has been defined for decades. A holster worn
on a belt is a belt holster. That is what the law says, and is what i will do.Rant over......Just an old mans banter.
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This is not rocket science. The Abilene PD Chief is OK withe the flip-flop holster. I specifically asked my city's Assistant Chief and officers about a paddle and IWB holster. The consensus in my neck of the woods is all of these holster will not attract police attention.

On 1/1/16, I'll use a belt slide holster with a strap unless a get a better retention holster before then. After that, it's IWB concealed at work, untuck after work, and OWB otherwise.

O. Lee James, III NAR 15058 SR High Power Level 1
National Association of Rocketry Southwest Regional Contest Board Chairman
US Army Pershing Missile Platoon Leader ('78 - '81)
by oljames3
Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:02 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What is a belt holster
Replies: 125
Views: 18836

Re: What is a belt holster

Topbuilder wrote:
goose wrote:
WildBill wrote:
goose wrote:All of this does beg the question, how long before we see the first holster marketed as "Texas Legal Belt Holster. You define it; we refine it. Only the finest grain leathers used."
Here it is! :mrgreen:

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Narrator (Ralphie as an adult): Schwartz created a slight breach of etiquette by skipping the triple dare and going right for the throat!

Bill, you went straight to Chuck! (That is a nice rig.)

I'm glad Chuck has other methods of defense at his disposal than the hammer down on empty chamber, 1911.
You tell him he's wrong. I'm not going to. :biggrinjester:
by oljames3
Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:40 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What is a belt holster
Replies: 125
Views: 18836

Re: What is a belt holster

If you have doubts about your holster complying with the law, don't wear that holster until your doubts are settled. I plan to openly carry my pistol on 1/1/16 in a belt holster. This holster attaches to my belt by means of a loop through which my belt passes. I see this as a simple solution to the question.

Between now and 1/1/16, I'll be discussing the ramifications of open carry with my attorney and local law enforcement. After 1/1/16, I'll see what happens. YMMV.

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by oljames3
Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:59 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What is a belt holster
Replies: 125
Views: 18836

Re: What is a belt holster

Glockster wrote:I'm confused by your post and why/how someone wouldn't see the holster of a paddle holster, unless you're only talking about an IWB holster? Speaking for myself, im referring to an OWB Fobus holster, which is clearly visible as a holster. The only part which is not visible would be the actual paddle attached to my belt.
Sorry about being unclear. I have three holsters for my BTA-90. When carrying concealed, such as at work, I carry in a Galco IWB holster under my shirt. Last August, my 18 year old son and I spent 10 days flying rockets in the desert outside of Tucson, AZ. He carried a .45, I carried my BTA-90 IWB with the shirt tucked behind the pistol. After a non-local commented about my not using a holster, I switched to an OWB, threaded belt, holster with a snap-strap. I also have a paddle holster with no retention.

I consider all three to be belt holsters. I wore my OWB Fobus paddle holster to church this morning, under my suit coat. It was the most comfortable choice, today.
by oljames3
Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:49 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What is a belt holster
Replies: 125
Views: 18836

Re: What is a belt holster

In my opinion, a paddle holster meets the requirements of HB910 as a belt holster.

My initial intent, upon the signing of HB910, was to carry openly in an in waistband holster. I'd simply tuck my shirt behind or in front of the pistol as the situation required. However, this summer I was carrying openly at a model rocket contest in Tucson, AZ, when I had cause to reconsider. A fellow contestant, not local, asked why I was not carrying in a holster. That got me to thinking.

If the average citizen sees my method of carry as a gun stuck in the waistband without a holster, it seems reasonable that they would be more likely to be concerned than if the pistol was in an outside the waistband holster. Further, law enforcement officers would have to look closely to see that the pistol as in a holster. All this would seem to tend to lead to more law enforcement scrutiny.

I'm attending the Citizen Police Academy in my city. My intent is to get acquainted with the officers and their procedures. Before the course is over, I will learn their concerns and intent about holsters.

My intent now is to carry concealed, IWB, at work. Outisde of work, I'll switch to paddle or threaded OWB as the mood strikes me and the situation allows.

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