The charges are, felony animal cruelty. I don't believe the evidence has to be public record until presented in trial.Rex B wrote:The charges should be public record. No one knows what they are?
It remains to be seen whether they will stick once the furor dies down.
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- Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:36 pm
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- Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:03 pm
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I'm not sure what you mean. The CBS story was posted when the event happened and said they were investigating. A week later he is arrested on two felony counts. He's obviously innocent until proven guilty, but it is logical to surmise that the defense of livestock story didn't hold up.cb1000rider wrote:It's trivial to justify... There must be something else going on.TVGuy wrote: The story you posted was over a week old (the one I linked to was current as of yesterday), it seems that the investigation proved it was not in defense of livestock.
Given the fact that he's a first responder and it happened in the country would lead one to believe that the authorities would lean toward not pressing charges without some solid evidence. If it were a gangbanger in Dallas or Houston I would think they might lean toward unjust prosecution.
What do think might be going on?
- Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:55 pm
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The story you posted was over a week old (the one I linked to was current as of yesterday), it seems that the investigation proved it was not in defense of livestock.Rex B wrote:"According to a family friend, the incident happened at Tim Conatser's barn. That's where the dogs allegedly attacked Conatser's livestock and the property-owner shot and killed them.TVGuy wrote: Since there is no mention of harming livestock, this isn't "satisfying public outcry". This is enforcing the law.
Family friend Kevin Forester said Conatser found the dogs inside his barn a couple of days earlier, while they were attacking his calf, and recognized them as belonging to his neighbor.
“So he went over to his neighbor's and told him that his dogs was getting in his barn and attacking his animals, to please ya know keep 'em at home, put 'em on a leash, build a fence, do something," recalled Forester.
The friend says Conatser told him the neighbor didn't care."
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- Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:04 pm
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Since there is no mention of harming livestock, this isn't "satisfying public outcry". This is enforcing the law.Rex B wrote:A good friend of mine kept guinea hens at his home. They ran in his unfenced 2-acre yard and never got close to the property line. Then a new family moved in nearby. Dad was a cop at a nearby large city. They had two large purebred dogs they were real proud of. Of course, my friend started losing a chicken or two shortly after, finding them mangled but not eaten. One evening he heard a commotion outside and saw both those dogs in his back yard, each with a chicken in it's mouth. He stepped outside and drilled both dogs with his 30-30. Then he loaded up the dogs in his pickup, drove to the neighbors house, dropped the tailgate, and said "Here's your dogs. You owe me $XX for the chickens they killed". He got paid.
It's long established in common law that if an animal is on your property attacking your livestock, you can kill it. The owner of that animal (if any) has no recourse.
This guy made it into an International Incident with his FB post. Now the local law enforcement are bound to investigate it, and try to find something to charge the guy with - just to satisfy the public outcry. Expensive lesson, that.
- Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:01 pm
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That makes zero sense. One is a crime and one is an accident. That having been said, it drives me insane to see people without their dog on a leash or in a fenced yard. It's illegal in my area to walk a dog without a leash. I'm not advocating letting your dogs run free, but shooting without reason is a felony.Kawabuggy wrote:middleageruss has it right. This guy failed in the very basic tenant of shutting yer pie-hole after solving the problem.
When I hear the animal lovers crying about the cruelty perpetrated on their beloved pet I want to ask them, and how do you feel when the same pet is hit & killed by a car because YOU were too stupid to secure your pet? Is it any different? Because a car hits it we like to call it "an accident". But when someone shoots it, it's a felony. Hmm... End result is the same, and either way it could have been avoided had the owner done THEIR job.
I'm not advocating shooting peoples pets but I am advocating placing responsibility on the pet owners for controlling their animals.
- Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:16 pm
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Incorrect, it is a felony if you read TPC more closely. It's under 42.092:EEllis wrote:Only a felony on the third offence. TPC 42.09RoyGBiv wrote:Mistake #1 : Committing a felony (alleged)
Mistake #2: Bragging about it online.
Sec. 42.092. CRUELTY TO NONLIVESTOCK ANIMALS. (a) In this section:
(b) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly:
(1) tortures an animal or in a cruel manner kills or causes serious bodily injury to an animal;
(2) without the owner's effective consent, kills, administers poison to, or causes serious bodily injury to an animal;
An offense under Subsection (b)(1), (2), (7), or (8) is a state jail felony, except that the offense is a felony of the third degree if the person has previously been convicted two times under this section, two times under Section 42.09, or one time under this section and one time under Section 42.09.
- Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:30 pm
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Shooting someone else's dogs-Arrest
Dogs seem to come up here often, so I thought this would be of interest:
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Hunt-C ... 16571.html
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Hunt-C ... 16571.html
Moral of the story - don't shoot someone's dog without ample reason.The photo on Conatser's Facebook account showed two dogs, apparently shot to death, with the message, "Somebody didn't put any truth my warning. Keep your damn dogs on your property."