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Charles L. Cotton wrote:

safety1 wrote:

Srnewby wrote:Before anyone loses hope that OC will get passed, I would note that Charles has been absent from these conversations for several days and the last comment I saw from him is that OC will pass. I am hopeful that something is being worked out in the background that none of us is aware of yet. I won't give up hope until such time as Charles says OC is dead for this session.

I agree, until Charles says its dead......its still alive! I will contiune to make calls until i hear otherwise.

Open-carry is fine and even HB308 has some life left in it. Srnewby is correct, something is working so watch the horizon. Since we know the opposition reads the Forum, and that there are even moles among us, I can't say more at this point. I spent the day in Austin today.

Chas.

jmra wrote:

v7a wrote:Herman: Why Democrats voted for Texas open carry bill

The Texas House voted 101-42 this week to allow licensed open carry of handguns. Every Republican voted for it. Every Democrat voted against it, except seven.
I looked for similarities among those seven: Ryan Guillen of Rio Grande City; Abel Herrero, Robstown; Tracy King, Batesville; Oscar Longoria, Mission; Joe Moody, El Paso; Joe Pickett, El Paso; and Richard Peña Raymond, Laredo.

Five of the seven Democrats — all but the two El Pasoans — represent smaller-town/rural districts. This fits in with the notion that smaller-town/rural Texans are more comfortable around guns than many big-city folks are. A significant majority of Democrats in the House are big-city folks.

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After the House vote, a reader asked, “Why is Texas so determined to make those of us who do not feel comfortable with people running around carrying weapons unwelcome?”

My answer: Because a large majority of Texas’ lawmakers feel the rights of some people should not be restricted by the discomfort of others.

To me, and maybe to you, open carry is kind of creepy, as are some of the more strident proponents of it (maybe the ones Moody said “probably can’t get a license”). But there’s going to be a long list if we start banning things I think are creepy. Bye-bye to vapor cigarettes, many tattoos and most body piercings.

To me, the creepiest thing about the House bill is that part that bars a cop from asking to see an open carrier’s license. Seems weird. The Senate should unweird that.

Agreed with this guy until the last sentence. It's funny that the amendment with the most votes appears to be the one everyone is freaking out about.

joelamosobadiah wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

Ruark wrote:

mojo84 wrote:Austin is Austin. Until the locals sober up and change their voting habits, they will continue to lie in the bed they've made. That's their decision.

Problem is, they're not really locals. Austin is overrun with tens of thousands of misplaced Kalifornians, including Police Chief Acevedo. That's where a lot of this hysteria is coming from.

If they live there now, they are locals. It is what it is.

This^

Difference between locals and natives.

Taypo wrote:

mr1337 wrote:

Maxwell wrote:

mr1337 wrote:
Don't forget running the serial of the gun and emptying the chamber and magazine, dumping the rounds on the sidewalk before giving it back to you, for "officer safety."

Don't you think that's a little bit of a conspiracy theorist point of view? I mean really, how many people do you know, or anyone for that matter, that have ever had an officer "dumping rounds on the sidewalk..."...?

It's not unheard of.

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Gee whiz, I wonder why they gave him a hard time? Using an OC zealot to make your point kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

Out of curiosity, any idea where the first part of that video is? The one you're linking to edited out the beginning, which pretty much set the tone for that whole interaction.

Maxwell wrote:

mr1337 wrote:
Don't forget running the serial of the gun and emptying the chamber and magazine, dumping the rounds on the sidewalk before giving it back to you, for "officer safety."

Don't you think that's a little bit of a conspiracy theorist point of view? I mean really, how many people do you know, or anyone for that matter, that have ever had an officer "dumping rounds on the sidewalk..."...?

Ruark wrote:You know, a LOT of my feelings about these cop-stops would depend on the nature of the interaction. If a passing officer just briefly paused, glanced at my CHL, said "thanks, have a good one" and kept walking, that might be tolerable now and then. But if he acts in a domineering manner, attracting attention, takes my gun "for your own safety" while he examines my CHL/ID, then tells me to stand there (maybe with a couple of other officers who have arrived by now) while he moseys back to his cruiser to run a warrant check (while a crowd gathers) or mutters for 10 minutes on his shoulder mic, well, you get the picture... that would be a different matter.

v7a wrote:Tell us how you really feel, Austin PD Chief Acevedo:

Open Season For Armed Criminals and Extremists

Yesterday's amendment to Texas' Open Carry Legislation is beyond belief and Aiken to open season for gang members, drug cartels, outlaw motor cycle gangs and any other criminal or extremist to defy the law with impunity, just brilliannt! If criminals, drug cartels, and extremists had a seat at the policy writing table they couldn't have come up with s better Amendment.

By prohibiting law enforcement from stopping or detaining to check for CHL, Texas is authorizing within our state lines any and all criminals to carry a firearm. My heart goes out to domestic violence victims and the victims of violent crimes in our State. Through this amendment we are facilitating the victimization of the people we are sworn to serve, protect and lead.

Here is a scenario, next time groups face off in our Capital City at the Capitol, Klan with their hoods on, Panthers with their faces covered, ISIS sympathizers with their faces covered and just about any other extremist group, armed with firearms authorized by Open-Carry, law enforcement will have absolutely no authority to ensure the people who are armed as they wish..........why bother common sense has officially died and writing any further would be fruitless.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

mr1337 wrote:Finally a good amendment.

Codifies the fact that a field trip doesn't turn a place into a GFZ.

There's a problem with it, but I can't discuss it now.

Chas.

Texsquatch wrote:But doesn't reciprocity do that already?