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by jbarn
Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:27 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Police want to check your serial #
Replies: 82
Views: 14043

Re: Police want to check your serial #

baseballguy2001 wrote:I think what Jbarn is saying is, he used to be in Law Enforcement, is now a CHL instructor, and is often out in the world with non law enforcement types. (the folks) Who didn't have to study the law, court cases, and such for their profession. Some, now have the audacity to question the motives of some who get paid from our taxes. That being said, if the government can check the serials of our weapons, shouldn't some other government stooge check over your laptop and and other personal items to keep you safe?
It is not the questioning of motives, it is people completely not understanding the law.

I oppose LEO's checking serials on firearms as a matter of routine. My, clearly poor choice, analogy was would we accept all of our property being checked for stolen everytime we are stopped?
The answer is no. Lots of folks are CHL holders, more and more in Texas. Most people, all over the country, don't think carrying a concealed weapon is necessary, not to mention safe. They think the government will ALWAYS protect them. We know better. In the same vein, most people think giving up a little freedom means more security. We know that leads down another path. No, we shouldn't have to take our shoes off to get on a flight. No, our personal property should NOT be gone through, any time a government agent wants to. No, our phone calls, emails, web traffic should be our business, and not an any way, shape, or form the governments business. The sad part is, we are long past that. When you get stopped, if asked, hand it over. Even if you bought it new, it's not that much trouble right?
I agree with that!
by jbarn
Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:23 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Police want to check your serial #
Replies: 82
Views: 14043

Re: Police want to check your serial #

C-dub wrote:I thought JBarn was questioning the premise for checking the serial number. Usually, the premise is to see if it is stolen or to make sure it is not. I thought he was questioning why other things that are more commonly stolen are not routinely checked and might have a higher value for the same reason.

Right. We would jump up and down, and rightfully so, if your GPS device, laptop, camera, etc was run for stolen on every traffic stop. Why is our firearm different? I have no disagreement with disclosing I carry, or surrendering the handgun if an officer wants to. But running serials is just wrong, IMO.
by jbarn
Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:20 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Police want to check your serial #
Replies: 82
Views: 14043

Re: Police want to check your serial #

Cedar Park Dad wrote:
jbarn wrote:I am a former LEO. I am a supporter of LE. I have BTDT, and am off out by people who have no idea about LE or actual case law, or never even heard of Terry or Carroll trying to second guess LEO's.

That said, If they run serials of guns should they not check your computer in the bag, your cell phone, perhaps your camera if you have one? Maybe your GPS unit........... :headscratch

Er...what? :confused5

What I am saying is that most people don't have a clue about LE work, even though they like to second guess LE. The rhetoric about taxes is just that.

however, even as a former LEO who defends LEOs, I don't see the justification for checking serial numbers of firearms on traffic stops. Do they check all of your property to see if it is stolen? Of course not, so there is no justification for checking firearm serials, even though some do. I oppose it.
by jbarn
Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:26 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Police want to check your serial #
Replies: 82
Views: 14043

Re: Police want to check your serial #

I am a former LEO. I am a supporter of LE. I have BTDT, and am off out by people who have no idea about LE or actual case law, or never even heard of Terry or Carroll trying to second guess LEO's.

That said, If they run serials of guns should they not check your computer in the bag, your cell phone, perhaps your camera if you have one? Maybe your GPS unit........... :headscratch

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