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WOW.....this ride took a (somewhat expected) left turn.

I mean no disrespect to anyone.......but please, EVERYONE......relax some. Everyone here knows what the other is trying to say. Civilian, NONcivilian, they are terms that are sometimes used losely. I am guilty of it too.

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In the stop I described, AS I described it, what are the LEGAL boundaries of the LEO.
or..........
Officer, out of courtesy I would like to inform you I have a loaded pistol between the seats near my right leg. It is under the towel. How would you like to handle this so there are no misunderstandings.

Can he legally search the entire vehicle, or is he only allowed to search for the weapon I informed him of?

Yeah I know......but personally I would rather tell them BEFORE they notice. Otherwise there is a GREAT chance that you will be lookin down the business end of the LEOs sidearm

He stopped for for going 34mph in a 30 mph zone.

The ONLY reason he informed the officer of the shotgun is because it was visible. However, the LEO hadnt noticed it yet.

I agree with the informal complaint. But JB may not do or say anything about it.

AEA wrote:Believe it or not.....not all LEO's agree with us Civilians exercising our rights (within the Law) and if their Chief is one of these type, then you can expect the same from all the Dept. Officers.

I do believe it. I have many LEO friends and some of them openly disagree with our right to carry w/wo CHL.

I believe that it time for them (anti-gun LEO) to think OUTSIDE of the box and realize a few things..... I have a gun but that does NOT make me a criminal nor does it mean that I want to shoot a cop......I cant have a LEO follow me 24/7......I DO have the right to PROTECT MYSELF.

My best friend was stopped a couple of days ago in Granbury. He DOES NOT have his CHL yet.

When the LEO approached the truck, windows down, dome light on, JB's left arm/hand was located on the open window with hand out the window, right hand on the steering wheel. LEO asked for proper ID and such.
At this time, JB informs LEO that he has a loaded shotgun located between the seats. The LEO became very upset and acted as if my friend was a hardened criminal (with tone of voice). Ordering him to get his hands up, get out and keep hands visible. Called back-up. Cuffed him. Then asked JB if there was other weapons. He then was able to inform the LEO that he also had his G-36 in the console.

He was put in the cruiser. The LEOs searched the truck, more than just looking for the 2 weapons they were informed about. (<<<<what is the legality of this?) The SN#s were checked and all come back clear. JBs DL come back clear and he was eventually released with both weapons.

I know most of the above actions are to be expected with exception to the attitude of the LEO.

What makes me very upset is the next statement made by the Granbury LEO.....
.....JB was told that it would be VERY wise of him and that he SHOULD keep the guns UNLOADED and keep the ammo AWAY from the guns.
My question is....." WHAT GOOD IS AN UNLOADED GUN??!!" Then it is nothing more than a very expensive rock.