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WildBill wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:Of Bill with a black eye, not Hillary! (Took me a minute to figure it out. )

Couldn't find one.

Nah, that's why I said "mainstream media buried it" ie. unless you were watching the TV live as I was that day, well you'd have missed it cuz no there weren't any pictures or discussions about it that I recall except for reading somewhere that an agent saw Hil pop him. It was darn obvious on my TV--suppose now I have to see if anyone YouTubed it (Bill's appearance/statement after I mean, a Saturday afternoon as I recall).

EDIT: Well, this is probably what I was watching, but I don't deny that the red left eye that I distinctly recall seeing that day is not in evidence. I don't think it was wishful thinking on my part but...no I can't find the proof of it.

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The unfolding of that particular charade DOES ring bells with me, and I have to admit that it was most likely his first appearance before any TV camera following the impeachment vote (BTW being about lying under oath, not about s-e-x as portrayed in so many misguided accounts of it).

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I don't like the Clintons in the least, but...

Same here, but I enjoyed that she got-off a great right hook into Bill's eye when the impeachment vote came-in. I will never forget the shiner he had when he emerged to make his comments.

Naturally, the "mainstream media" just buried it--I don't recall exactly now but I think it was a Secret Service eyewitness that spilled the beans, though of course it was (painfully) obvious he'd been popped a good one!

jimlongley wrote:Whether or not she has talked to those who have used firearms for self defense is not an issue, what the issue is is that she just doesn't care. She is another elitist who knows what is right for the rest of us and "What difference does it make?"

Yeah there are lots of these, and Hillary may indeed be one of them, but as I've said here before, she may also simply be one of those many people who were born, raised, and educated outside of mainstream American life, and therefore JUST DOESN'T KNOW ANY BETTER i.e. if she lived in a normal neighborhood where she'd interacted with Other-than-Elitest-Class America she would know for example that the nice neighbor lady is a deer hunter, and in fact that most everyone on the block has firearms or at least has healthy attitudes about firearms.

I truly do not know how you educate these people, particularly as the main interactions they have with people NOW are those who are like-minded or otherwise hopeless suck-ups vs. free thinkers. Any "town hall meetings" or man-on-the-street encounters are never going to, by themselves, get these people to understand just how deeply engrained guns are with average flag-waving, freedom-loving Americans.

The other thing I'll never understand is how these people fail to notice how much the US economy is involved with firearms, from raw material sourcing to manufacturing to distribution and sales and accessories and... my gosh if guns are ever banned or restricted millions of jobs would be impacted.