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by TomsTXCHL
Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:55 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Mcdonald's Robbery
Replies: 108
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dac1842 wrote:Why not just be a good witness? Here are some facts:
1- unless you train for this scenario, or have been trained, the odds of a proper reaction are about 10%. Numerous studies show 90% of the public will freeze or panic.

2- some os you said you would open fire. Why? There were six of them, odds are you would have instigated a massacre.

3-I am a trained, certified SWAT sniper (retired), even I would just be a witness unless the suspects fired first. Police tactics 101, confront the robbers outside. This way you minimize the odds of a hostage situation and bystander injuries.

4- all the true heros are dead. Don't be in a hurry to join them. Your eyes and ears are truly the best weapons you have.

Until you are involved in a shooting scenario you really don't know how you will react. Pray daily you will never find out.
Wonderful post; thank you very much for that. If you ever need (or want) to go back to work let us know; some of us would flock to any training/safety course you could conduct ("Concealed Carry 101").

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by TomsTXCHL
Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:39 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Mcdonald's Robbery
Replies: 108
Views: 13153

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JALLEN wrote:You mess up their OODA loop and take the initiative...... "Who Dares Wins!" provided you know what you are doing.
It's great to hear the "voices of experience" in this forum. I took the CHL class recently mostly in support of my wife who wanted one, but while I have minimal experience with firearms since hunting as a boy, neither of us has had any other training or background in weaponry. Our friend who has worked as a Personal Protection specialist and has forgotten more about guns and danger than we can imagine, has concerns about our newly-discovered interest in handguns and personal safety, but concedes at least that we would surprise any BGs.

Anyway thanks for the conversations, I am all ears! :bigear:

BTW my friend gave me "Lone Survivor" to read and now I'm a Seals fan big-time. Gotta get Kyle's book and see Mark Wahlberg as Marcus Luttrell also...

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by TomsTXCHL
Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:24 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Mcdonald's Robbery
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Views: 13153

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03Lightningrocks wrote:
rbwhatever1 wrote:....."Abraham".....Dying on one's feet is much better than dying on ones knees.
What do you recommend one do? Those romantic words mean very little outside of a good western. I'm sincerely wanting to know what you would do. Six armed guys burst into the place filled with women and children. I would love to think I could gun them all down but I cannot figure out how to get them all before they get me and possibly everyone else in the place.
I'm with 03Lr; we know that of six men several waved guns, but beyond that we really don't know how dangerous they were i.e. if they were ready to start shooting people or were just out to make a few hundred quick bucks by scaring the hell out of everyone.

But assuming their weapons WERE loaded-and-ready, then there should be no doubt that they would have retailiated had anyone started shooting at them.
by TomsTXCHL
Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:41 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Mcdonald's Robbery
Replies: 108
Views: 13153

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03Lightningrocks wrote:A situation like this is real bad.
Ain't that the truth. In a McDonald's, they qualify as petty thieves and I'd be inclined to lay quietly and give-up my wallet while hoping they don't find my firearm. If they did, I'd expect them only to take it with them.

In a bank though, we're talking hard-core criminals and I don't know WHAT I would do. :oops:
by TomsTXCHL
Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:25 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Mcdonald's Robbery
Replies: 108
Views: 13153

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locke_n_load wrote:I guarantee that if one CHL holder would have fired on the first suspect coming through the door, they all would have scattered and ran immediately...
Would have to have been a special (clairvoyant) person to recognize that "the first suspect coming through the door" would be followed by 5 others and that some or all would be armed.

In the end no shots were fired and no innocents were hurt which is the best outcome IMO.

I'm with jmra though honestly I would expand that "avoid altogether" to include not only Houston but all crappy fast food chains like McD's! :smash:

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