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Jusme wrote:

OlBill wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

Jusme wrote: Most ranges, where you are shooting at static targets standing in one place, will not allow for these drills. I am fortunate in that I have some private property on which to practice. There are some ranges that allow for these type of drills, but most are not close to me.

This varies greatly. I have heard of some ranges where they ask you to get a RO to clear any issues, but the indoor ranges I go to in Houston (Boyert and Memorial Shooting Center) allow you to clear your own issues. And I have been unfortunate enough to have a number of issues with the relatively few problem guns I have owned, so I naturally get some practice. If you wanted to force the practice, you could have someone else load your mags and put a few snap caps in among the good rounds. Sure you might lose some of them if they happen to end up down range, but it's not like they cost a ton of money.

Now if you are talking about the alternative approach of dropping a mag on the ground, then yes, I agree that most indoor ranges are going to have a problem with that.

I realize we are limited in time and resources and any shooting done properly is good shooting. But I won't go where I have to ask for help to fix my gun.

I have never been to a range where clearing a malfunction was dependent upon the RO. My reference was to shooting while moving, etc.

Jusme wrote:

OlBill wrote:

Scott B. wrote:This is a good subject. The way we teach is it is, "Tap - Rack - Assess." Why? Let's say you're in a gun fight and while clearing your hypothetical malfunction the 'bad guy' -- so overwhelmed by your guns skills -- surrenders? But you follow up with "Bang" because that's the way you always practiced it?

Something to think about.

You bring up an interesting point.

I had already decided to shoot and pulled the trigger. It didn't bang and I never took my eyes off the threat while I fixed it. What am I assessing?

The assessment is for any possibility, for a change, to have occurred, while performing the tap, rack, maneuver. While at a range, in a controlled, environment, change will be non-existent. In real world situations, a myriad, of things can change, even if focused on the threat. Tunnel vision, is a real issue, and under stress, there are a lot of things that you won't see. I don't practice malfunction drills, while standing still, because I don't want to revert to my training, and be standing like a statue, if it happens in real life. Moving even slightly, will help open up your field of vision, and there may be something you see, which will change the decision to immediately fire. Like I said, an innocent person, may have entered the target area, a second, more immediate threat, may be presented to you, etc.. all of these things are a possibility, and while it is impossible to completely prepare foe every scenario, just practicing one way of doing things, may cause more problems in a real life situation. JMHO

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

Jusme wrote: Most ranges, where you are shooting at static targets standing in one place, will not allow for these drills. I am fortunate in that I have some private property on which to practice. There are some ranges that allow for these type of drills, but most are not close to me.

This varies greatly. I have heard of some ranges where they ask you to get a RO to clear any issues, but the indoor ranges I go to in Houston (Boyert and Memorial Shooting Center) allow you to clear your own issues. And I have been unfortunate enough to have a number of issues with the relatively few problem guns I have owned, so I naturally get some practice. If you wanted to force the practice, you could have someone else load your mags and put a few snap caps in among the good rounds. Sure you might lose some of them if they happen to end up down range, but it's not like they cost a ton of money.

Now if you are talking about the alternative approach of dropping a mag on the ground, then yes, I agree that most indoor ranges are going to have a problem with that.

twomillenium wrote:

Scott B. wrote:This is a good subject. The way we teach is it is, "Tap - Rack - Assess." Why? Let's say you're in a gun fight and while clearing your hypothetical malfunction the 'bad guy' -- so overwhelmed by your guns skills -- surrenders? But you follow up with "Bang" because that's the way you always practiced it?

Something to think about.

The "bad guy" should have surrendered sooner.

Crash wrote:
OlBill,

"You should have vetted carry ammo and mags long before carrying it..."? I check every round I put in a magazine and always have. However, I've had the same round that always worked perfectly fail when I bought a new box. As for the mags, they were new from the factory and I had problems from the beginning. One gun I traded in and the other I sent back to the factory and they reworked the trigger and sent me two new mags--which also didn't work. I also traded that gun. I hope that you don't believe that every round you put in a magazine is never going to fail just because you've "vetted" that type of ammo before. And I also hope that you don't believe that just because you've "vetted" the magazines you're using that one of them can't fail. Ammo, magazines, and guns can fail, no matter how well you've checked them out in the past

Crash

Scott B. wrote:This is a good subject. The way we teach is it is, "Tap - Rack - Assess." Why? Let's say you're in a gun fight and while clearing your hypothetical malfunction the 'bad guy' -- so overwhelmed by your guns skills -- surrenders? But you follow up with "Bang" because that's the way you always practiced it?

Something to think about.

Crash wrote:

OlBill wrote:A lot of times (most) the FTF is because the magazine wasn't seated properly because the gun was not properly loaded and checked. Factory ammunition is rarely the cause. Tap Rack fixes the most common FTF.

If Tap Rack doesn't fix it, you're going to need cover. You're going to have to look at the gun.

OlBill,

I agree with you that Tap Rack fixes the most common FTF. However, I've owned 12 semi-autos and fired quite a few others and most of the FTF I've had were because my gun didn't "like" a particular type of ammo. Not that the ammo was bad, it just wasn't compatible with the gun I was using. Also, I had a number of failures with two different .380s because of faulty factory magazines. Not saying that it was never my fault, but I only remember two FTF where I either limp-wristed the gun or didn't seat the magazine properly. I guess my problem is that I never want to be in a life-or-death situation, have an FTF, and have to stop and decide which method to use to correct the problem.

Crash