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- Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:56 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Mall security and right to physically detain you
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Re: Mall security and right to physically detain you
Godwin's law has been invoked.
- Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:44 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Mall security and right to physically detain you
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Re: Mall security and right to physically detain you
Store owner must have read this thread.
- Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:09 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Mall security and right to physically detain you
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Re: Mall security and right to physically detain you
Cuffed a lot of bad guys, have you?EEllis wrote: I guess it depends on how sure they are of the theft. I've worked places where there was zero doubt, slam dunk, they were guilty. I see nothing wrong with stopping someone and if they fight cuffing them. Now maybe you let people steal from you without doing anything about it. Perhaps you have some secret technique when you would have no trouble keeping a struggling person quiet and in place until police arrive without using any type of restraint. But other just don't have you mindset or abilities and have to get by in other ways.
I doubt seriously if this happens very often in store theft cases and this is not something I would do.
I think you are arguing just do do so. As I said this is a stupid argument.
- Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:02 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Mall security and right to physically detain you
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Re: Mall security and right to physically detain you
How many times on this forum have we openly stated that our CHL is not a Batman license? Now just because a person has a tax number and a LLC and sells trinkets they should handcuff people they suspect of stealing? Really? Pretty stupid if you ask me. Maybe along with their CHL badge they should get a Wyatt Earp badge and two cap gun holster too.EEllis wrote:anygunanywhere wrote:Or put you in handcuffs?CleverNickname wrote:Also, since when do non-LEO store employees have the power to do a Terry search?EEllis wrote:Wait all my references to searches were after being detained. I even specifically said that they should only search after force was used to detain. So if they actually handcuff someone you still think it is somehow unacceptable for them to do a terry search? Under what law do you think they would ever be prosecuted for that? For an illegal detention maybe, but for a Terry search?jmra wrote: BTW, I knew you wouldn't provide the link. That was never in question. I, on the other hand, have provided several links in this thread to professionals in the field stating that store employees do not have the authority to conduct involuntary searches.
Really? Shopkeeper privilege allows them to detain for investigation but anyone can perform a citizen arrest if they catch someone in the process of stealing from them. Why would handcuffs be an issue?
- Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:26 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Mall security and right to physically detain you
- Replies: 281
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Re: Mall security and right to physically detain you
Or put you in handcuffs?CleverNickname wrote:Also, since when do non-LEO store employees have the power to do a Terry search?EEllis wrote:Wait all my references to searches were after being detained. I even specifically said that they should only search after force was used to detain. So if they actually handcuff someone you still think it is somehow unacceptable for them to do a terry search? Under what law do you think they would ever be prosecuted for that? For an illegal detention maybe, but for a Terry search?jmra wrote: BTW, I knew you wouldn't provide the link. That was never in question. I, on the other hand, have provided several links in this thread to professionals in the field stating that store employees do not have the authority to conduct involuntary searches.