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VMI77 wrote: I haven't had an in-person discussion with an anti in over 12 years.

I know this might seem strange to some here on this board but I can't think of anyone I regularly hang with who is an anti now either. Maybe they just flat don't like to speak up around me. I can't imagine why. I am such a quiet introvert. I pretty much keep my opinions to myself. You practically have to torture me to get me to say anything.

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VMI77 wrote:I tend to think everyone posting here understands that when applying labels to any group, there are exceptions to the general rule, so there are also anti-2A conservatives.

My Dad was an anti-2A conservative.

He was a staunch republican. He voted. He followed politics daily. He listened to Rush. He was Canadian by birth, Texan by the grace of God. He obtained his US citizenship by an act of Congress.

He loathed the NRA.

He had no use for the 2A because, by golly he had his shotguns and deer rifles. He scoffed at my hunting pistols and my life membership. He rolled in his grave the day I assembled my first AR.

He supported small government, low taxes, and all other freedoms.

I never understood......

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cheezit wrote:hmmm. i didnt know gay rights cost you money my bad.
single issue, one tract people on both sides of the fence.
i have not now nor will i ever sale my sole down political river as so many do.
as far as christians not beliving in jesues well there are those that dont belive.. just as there are jews that proclaim him to be a savyor. i dont fall in to either of those groups either

yes it is possble to vote what you think is right. still be pro 2a, pro womens choice, pro gay rights and be against giving away the peoples money on ill got goods.

You made my point. So you are vehemently pro 2a and hold all of the BOR close to your heart.

But you will deny the most innocent and defenseless of all, the unborn, their right to life. You have indeed sold your soul down the river.

As I stated before if any part of a statement is a lie it is all a lie. You want all of your rights but not everyone can have theirs.

How very progressive of you.

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Whatever.

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pbwalker wrote:I know plenty of Liberal folks who are vehemently pro-2A. They don't agree with what Chairman Maobama is doing now, and are doing what they can to fight it. Not all libs and conservatives fit in to a nice, cookie-cutter form...

So what exactly defines their belief system if they claim to be liberal and pro 2A?

That they want to tax me to death and give my money to sponges?

That they want to gut the military to fund their sponge support?

That they want to implement their idea of social engineering at the expense of my freedoms?

That they want to build a utopia at my expense?

In some form or another, every aspect of the liberal collectivist agenda affects ME. I do not agree with any of it.

LEAVE ME ALONE. YOU FUND YOUR AGENDA WITH YOUR OWN RESOURCES. NOT MINE.

Stop trying to convince me that liberal collectivists are right there beside me fighting for my rights because it is a lie. If any part of a statement is not true it is all a lie. Where will these so-called pro 2A collectivist be when you need them to REALLY stand up for the 2A?

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This is why I reject the myth of someone being a "liberal" and being pro 2A. This is a prime example of the progressive collectivist belief that is the foundation of the democrat party. They rely on lies to support their belief.

Why would someone who claims to be pro 2A associate themselves with this belief system?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/opini ... paper&_r=0

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cheezit wrote:leaning nither left or right and being from cali. i can assure you there are plenty of libs that are pro 2a.

Sorry. The only time this makes sense is if the word liberal is used in the original definition.

The current liberal is defined as a progressive. The progressive mentality is that of collectivismn and socialism/marxism.

A person cannot call themselves a liberal and at the same time be pro 2A. They are not mutually inclusive.

Also, if an individual claims to be both, at what point along the progressive agenda continuum will they either:

1. Give up their 2A RKBA so they can remain in the good graces of the progressive socialist crowd.

or

2. Realize the error of their ways and hold true to the 2A and the rest of the constitution and BOR and abandon the progressive agenda?

I grow weary of these current crop of liberals trying to project a false facade of being pro 2A while at the the same time voting and supporting those who are intent on disarming me.

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Abraham wrote:A few of the newer posters seem to be attempting to persuade gun folk, that they need to adapt to what progressives consider a new paradigm - guns are bad, mmkay...and gun folk need to face up to this reality and quit being so obstinate about their rights.

Am I over reaching in my opinion about this?

Maybe...

P.S. Nope, I see no black helicopters buzzing my house, but I do need to re-shape the visor on my tinfoil hat...

You are correct from what I read.

Not backing up anymore 'cause they have me in a corner.

Honestly, when I was a young man I did not think much about this RKBA stuff like I do now. I had other things to focus on.

Recently there have been multiple posts about how we should be teaching our children more of the Constitution, BOR and our liberties. People need to know about their freedoms, what they have, what has been taken away, and what they could have.

And how to get it back - all the things they need to do. It is all right here on this forum. Available in lots of forums, some more radical than others.

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Abraham, do you need a hug?

C'mere! Give us some love!

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