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Violet wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:

atouk wrote:The penalty for shooting a police dog is pretty hefty. I think the penalty for police shooting a family pet should be the same, unless they're stopping an actual deadly force attack. Lets get back to a country that really supports Liberty and Justice for All.

Ridiculous. Waiting for an "actual deadly force attack"? Are you serious?

Sorry, but I am not waiting for a bite to gauge whether it is ""actual deadly force", "pretend deadly force", or just "actual semi-serious . . . "

Since I do not trespass, in general, if someone does not want their dog shot they can control their dog.

If I remember the right puppy shooting (there are so many) Cisco was killed on his owner's property. I agree with atouk that the penalty for inappropriately shooting a family's pet on the family's property should be the same as inappropriately shooting a police dog.

Please define how to shoot a police dog appropriately.

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nyj wrote:anygun,

Sorry you feel that way, but I for one, would gladly cherish the life of my loyal companion that has been by my side for 10 years now, then one life out of half of these moronic people I have to deal with on a daily basis in my job.

A bond with a dog is a special thing, and no matter what, your best canine friend will never be as ignorant, rude, and careless as half of our population.

Yes pets are special and have a place in our lives. Their love is undeniable. They were put here for a purpose just like everything else.

Even the rude and obnoxious people are worth more than any animal. Life is precious. When we start thinking that just because someone is not up to our standards and that they do not deserve to live, we are placing ourselves in the same circumstances. We do not meet someone else's standards and therefore do not deserve to live. Think about it.

There are factions that place any animal above human life. Including yours.

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matriculated wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:I think that your insistence that this site is ridiculously strict on treatment of LEOs is in and of itself a ridiculous statement.

You can think whatever you want. My statement was factually accurate.

Right. Whatever you say.

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matriculated wrote: I have three harmless dogs who have never (nor would they ever) bitten anyone

Matriculated, all dogs will bite in the right circumstance.

All. Dogs. Will. Bite.

I have been bitten twice by dogs aftger their owners said they would not bite.

One was a little yapper.

When I hear someone state that their dog will not bite it reinforces my belief that people do not know their animals.

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matriculated wrote: What I can't help but chuckle at (for lack of a better response) is this mentality that if one criticizes an LEO's actions, he's automatically engaging in "LEO bashing," or worse yet drawing, quartering, charging, trying, convicting, and executing the said LEO. This forum is ridiculously strict on treatment of LEO's, and the idea that LEO bashing on such a scale would be allowed for the duration of this thread is preposterous on its face. Everybody has been very respectful generally speaking

I think that most here can tell the difference between proper criticism and bashing.

I think that your insistence that this site is ridiculously strict on treatment of LEOs is in and of itself a ridiculous statement.

Some of tho most severe criticism on this site against LEO is more often than not heard from other LEOs.

We would do well to learn from them and their experience and pray that those who need to improve their performance can do so to make certain that the innocent remain unharmed.

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jmra wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

jmra wrote:I can't help but think that if the dog had not been there to "take a bullet" we might be talking about a dead man instead of a dead dog.

Anything is possible, but I think that is a stretch. How often do LEO draw their weapons? How often do citizens draw to defend themselves and how few are actually shot?

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How many shoot little dogs? Not being sarcastic, truly curious.

Someone posted links to incidents and statistics. Your post was about shooting humans not dogs which is what I responded to. In an earlier lifetime I was drawn on by LEO on multiple occasions. I complied with what they told me to do. I was not shot.

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jmra wrote:I can't help but think that if the dog had not been there to "take a bullet" we might be talking about a dead man instead of a dead dog.

Anything is possible, but I think that is a stretch. How often do LEO draw their weapons? How often do citizens draw to defend themselves and how few are actually shot?

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I've read pretty much every one of the posts here.

Mrs. Anygun and I are dog people. Our current pet (not a family member, not a person. A dog.) is an inheritance from a deceased dear friend. Teddy is a Bichon Frise. He has a unique personality and keeps me in stitches most of the time. Mrs. Anygun loves him.

He is a dog. He is not people.

Our previous dog was a male Weimeraner, Gunner. The day I had him put down was one of the worst days of my life.

He was a dog. He was not people.

I am of the mind set that there is no dog worth a person. Gunner bit me. He bit multiple people. He had his dog reasons at the time for why he bit.

Regradless of how I feel about any animal, they are never going to be more valuable than a human person. Any human. They are animals.

The officer in question is wrong in what he did, probably more in how he did it. Not everyone is cut out to be an LEO. Not everyone is cut out to be a doctor either. People often make it into professions they do not belong in and most eventually are eliminated due to incidents like this. It is unfortunate but it happens.

The real issue here as I see it is that this LEO has been drawn, quartered, charged, tried, convicted, and executed without ever being in a courtroom. Most of this has been done by the same individuals who are quick to scream when someone who shares our love of the 2A and firearms is treated in this manner by those who seek our demise.

How about a little fairness and forgiveness?

The man who shot the dog will be living with this for a long time.

My sincerest sympathy goes out to the owner of the dog. He should not have been drawn down on either.

In the same vein my sympathy goes out to the LEO as well.

Love your neighbor as yourself, and let's not allow this incident to taint our respect and feelings for LEO.

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thenick_ttu wrote:

gigag04 wrote:I've shot and killed one dog and pepper sprayed more than I can count while on the job. Not the highlight of my work, but I've seen enough dog bites to stop the threat of a dog first and ask questions later. If simple leash laws are followed by owners, this becomes a non-issue.

I shouldn't have to take a bite from a strangers dog before defending myself. That's just silly.

Also...Using a TASER on a dog...really? Have you deployed one before? It's a one shot deal and a much smaller target than a human torso. You can borrow mine and have a few tries under stress if you like. I'll go for my pistol...

1) Shoot first, "ask questions later" -- that's always a comforting policy for our local law enforcement to have, whom are supposed to protect us, not shoot first, "ask questions later."
2) Follow leash laws... expect leash laws weren't applicable in this situation because the dog was on his own property.
3) A stranger who is being held at gun point, on his own property, by a cop that wouldn't even let him restrain his dog.

it sounds like you might be the cop in question in this story? at the very least, it sounds like you're part of the problem of excessive police force when not required. I hope to God you're not a cop anywhere around North DFW

with all "due" respect

There are rules on this forum about how you treat LEO and other forum members. You might want to re-read them as a refresher. Gigag04 is a respected member of this forum and an accomplished LEO and is due all respect without the quotation marks.

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