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I'm not trying to talk anybody out of a HK45 but handle a SIG P227 before you go that route.Glockster wrote:Still torn between the HK45 Tactical and the VP40 LE....I just found a NIB VP40 LE w/night sites and 3 mags for $579...that seems like a really great price?
LE models also come with tritium night sights. The trigger variant is replaced within minutes and any version can be converted to any trigger variant.PaJ wrote:The VP is a striker fired and the P30/45 Tactical is a hammer fired. Depending on the exact model, there may be different triggers, manual safety, different sights, LE version vs non-LE version (so different trigger and extra mag).Glockster wrote:rentz wrote:i wouldnt say entry level, but they priced the VP line similarly to the currently polymer striker fired options.Glockster wrote:Noticing that from the pricing on gunbroker it seems that the VP40 is priced just slight higher than a Glock. Entry level gun then?bmwrdr wrote: The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.
i love my vp9 and if you get one or the vp40 i HIGHLY suggest getting an LE one if you can, which comes with an extra magazine and night sights.
What kind of differences are there between that and a P30 or 45 Tactical? I mean, what makes those that much more expensive? On gunbroker the VP40 is going for $600 and slightly up, while for example, the 45 Tactical is about twice that.
I did it in less than 4 hours once but you better watch out around Ennis.Glockster wrote:bmwrdr wrote:Too sad you are in Houston and I'm in Dallas. We could go to the range and you could test the P20, P30L, both in V3.Glockster wrote:Was just about to ask about the VP40 as I saw it on their site as well. Didn't know for sure on the grips as I hadn't had a chance to read more, but saw the rail (which I'd like), and see that it doesn't have the ability to mount a suppressor which I've been kind of toying with, but then have wondered about the thread interfering with ease of draw from a Fobus paddle.bmwrdr wrote:The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.Glockster wrote:PaJ wrote:I own and carry a P30 in 9mm. I've shot the VP9. They are VERY similar guns in terms of holding it and shooting it. The VP9 is striker fired and more affordable. It appears HK wants to go head to head with Glock (similar gun at a slightly higher price point). There is also the P30SK, which is a lower capacity, hammer fired gun. Easier to conceal and at the same price point as the VP9.
I have a SA/DA trigger. I don't find the heaviness of the DA a big problem. In terms of accuracy, I think the person pulling the trigger (me) has far more to do with the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of the shot than the double acting trigger pull.
I've held other HK's (and other brands). None of them compare to how the P30 fits in my hand. The adjustable grips help that as well. I didn't think I had small hands, but other pistols just feel huge in my hand. The P30 fits like a glove.
That's what's leaving me feeling overwhelmed on the choices as I do like striker fired -- but don't see any info on their site as to which models have that. I also loved the grips -- my friend has hands that are same size as mine, so the grips he had in made the gun feel more comfortable than my best Glock. But if I'm understanding correctly I'm not going to get the grips that I'd like unless I get the P30 or HK45 Tactical, and I want to stay in either .40 or .45.
Fortunately I have held and fired a P30, and absolutely loved it. So I have an idea of what I like as I haven't found too many H&Ks in the stores around me and have been resorting to looking around gunbroker.
Hmmm...let's see...wonder how long that is by cycle?
Too sad you are in Houston and I'm in Dallas. We could go to the range and you could test the P20, P30L, both in V3.Glockster wrote:Was just about to ask about the VP40 as I saw it on their site as well. Didn't know for sure on the grips as I hadn't had a chance to read more, but saw the rail (which I'd like), and see that it doesn't have the ability to mount a suppressor which I've been kind of toying with, but then have wondered about the thread interfering with ease of draw from a Fobus paddle.bmwrdr wrote:The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.Glockster wrote:PaJ wrote:I own and carry a P30 in 9mm. I've shot the VP9. They are VERY similar guns in terms of holding it and shooting it. The VP9 is striker fired and more affordable. It appears HK wants to go head to head with Glock (similar gun at a slightly higher price point). There is also the P30SK, which is a lower capacity, hammer fired gun. Easier to conceal and at the same price point as the VP9.
I have a SA/DA trigger. I don't find the heaviness of the DA a big problem. In terms of accuracy, I think the person pulling the trigger (me) has far more to do with the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of the shot than the double acting trigger pull.
I've held other HK's (and other brands). None of them compare to how the P30 fits in my hand. The adjustable grips help that as well. I didn't think I had small hands, but other pistols just feel huge in my hand. The P30 fits like a glove.
That's what's leaving me feeling overwhelmed on the choices as I do like striker fired -- but don't see any info on their site as to which models have that. I also loved the grips -- my friend has hands that are same size as mine, so the grips he had in made the gun feel more comfortable than my best Glock. But if I'm understanding correctly I'm not going to get the grips that I'd like unless I get the P30 or HK45 Tactical, and I want to stay in either .40 or .45.
Fortunately I have held and fired a P30, and absolutely loved it. So I have an idea of what I like as I haven't found too many H&Ks in the stores around me and have been resorting to looking around gunbroker.
PaJ wrote:I own and carry a P30 in 9mm. I've shot the VP9. They are VERY similar guns in terms of holding it and shooting it. The VP9 is striker fired and more affordable. It appears HK wants to go head to head with Glock (similar gun at a slightly higher price point). There is also the P30SK, which is a lower capacity, hammer fired gun. Easier to conceal and at the same price point as the VP9.
Everyone in the family (including my girls when they were 13) loves shooting my P30. HK's design supposedly dampens recoil. My son shot it with his broken wrist with no pain. My XDm .45 hurt him like crazy. I realize the calibers are not apples to apples, but the difference in recoil was very substantial.
Also, I had a squip load in my HK. I was not able to fire another round, thus saving my gun and possible injury to me and the others on the firing line. I've read on some forum that this is a designed safety feature of the HK, but I cannot confirm it. I just know my gun didn't fire.
I don't know that I would carry the P30SK simply because I like the extra magazine capacity of the P30, and have no trouble concealing it. The VP9 and P30 use the same magazines. The P30SK has a shorter magazine but can accept the longer P30 magazine.
I have a SA/DA trigger. I don't find the heaviness of the DA a big problem. In terms of accuracy, I think the person pulling the trigger (me) has far more to do with the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of the shot than the double acting trigger pull.
I've held other HK's (and other brands). None of them compare to how the P30 fits in my hand. The adjustable grips help that as well. I didn't think I had small hands, but other pistols just feel huge in my hand. The P30 fits like a glove.
The only drawback is that parts and holsters aren't as readily available as they are for other brands (i.e. Glock). Think of it like cars. The Glock is a Toyota Camry. Solid, affordable and lots of them on the road so lots of parts available. The HK is like a BMW. Fine machine, more expense and fewer on the road so parts may take a little patience to acquire...but you may not need to do any upgrades to begin with because the car is so well designed and built. I carry in an AlienGear IWB. I also have a Safariland paddle holster. If I get a nice OWB holster for open carry, there are plenty of those available either custom or through a mass producer. You just have to order them instead of walking into a store and buying off the rack.
When I buy another handgun, I will absolutely be looking at another HK.
but with the exception of the parts statement. Go to http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/home.asp and you'll find everything you need except junk.The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.Glockster wrote:PaJ wrote:I own and carry a P30 in 9mm. I've shot the VP9. They are VERY similar guns in terms of holding it and shooting it. The VP9 is striker fired and more affordable. It appears HK wants to go head to head with Glock (similar gun at a slightly higher price point). There is also the P30SK, which is a lower capacity, hammer fired gun. Easier to conceal and at the same price point as the VP9.
I have a SA/DA trigger. I don't find the heaviness of the DA a big problem. In terms of accuracy, I think the person pulling the trigger (me) has far more to do with the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of the shot than the double acting trigger pull.
I've held other HK's (and other brands). None of them compare to how the P30 fits in my hand. The adjustable grips help that as well. I didn't think I had small hands, but other pistols just feel huge in my hand. The P30 fits like a glove.
That's what's leaving me feeling overwhelmed on the choices as I do like striker fired -- but don't see any info on their site as to which models have that. I also loved the grips -- my friend has hands that are same size as mine, so the grips he had in made the gun feel more comfortable than my best Glock. But if I'm understanding correctly I'm not going to get the grips that I'd like unless I get the P30 or HK45 Tactical, and I want to stay in either .40 or .45.
H&K just announced the VP40!TVGuy wrote:The VP9 is the only striker fired pistol HK makes at this time, I believe.Glockster wrote:PaJ wrote:I own and carry a P30 in 9mm. I've shot the VP9. They are VERY similar guns in terms of holding it and shooting it. The VP9 is striker fired and more affordable. It appears HK wants to go head to head with Glock (similar gun at a slightly higher price point). There is also the P30SK, which is a lower capacity, hammer fired gun. Easier to conceal and at the same price point as the VP9.
I have a SA/DA trigger. I don't find the heaviness of the DA a big problem. In terms of accuracy, I think the person pulling the trigger (me) has far more to do with the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of the shot than the double acting trigger pull.
I've held other HK's (and other brands). None of them compare to how the P30 fits in my hand. The adjustable grips help that as well. I didn't think I had small hands, but other pistols just feel huge in my hand. The P30 fits like a glove.
That's what's leaving me feeling overwhelmed on the choices as I do like striker fired -- but don't see any info on their site as to which models have that. I also loved the grips -- my friend has hands that are same size as mine, so the grips he had in made the gun feel more comfortable than my best Glock. But if I'm understanding correctly I'm not going to get the grips that I'd like unless I get the P30 or HK45 Tactical, and I want to stay in either .40 or .45.
Correct, the variant numbers on ISP models differ from the newer models.Glockster wrote:bmwrdr wrote:Same here, my P30 is next to me at home and my carry in the cold month. Any HK is a good, reliable gun. Some don't like the trigger of the V3, I like it. All my HK's are V3 or V1 for the USP which translates to V3 of the latrer models.
Just a tip, the P2000 is a good carry option, available in .40 SW and you may be able to find a deal.
The biggest advantage of HK is the parts availability online, see http://hkparts.net
Good luck finding a deal and keep us posted.
BTW, HK's are easy to work on and easy to clean.
Am just doing a bit of reading about USP, which sounds interesting. It is a bit difficult to easily compare all of the models and what seems to be a huge number of variants (I'm beginning to feel like I need to spend some time talking with someone who is a whole lot more familiar with why one over another!). If I'm understanding correctly, USP works well with the high pressure of .40 SW and was originally designed with that in mind? And are you saying that V3 also incorporates that in other models? And I "think" that the .45 Tactical is also USP?
