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Heck, I have my own fire pump/hoses because I know my house would be smoldering embers long before the FD ever showed up.

interesting side point: how's that set up, er set up?

Cedar Park Dad

2.) The OP stated "I was armed with nothing but a 4" Gerber fixed blade that I had on my belt. My buddy, the driver, was just standing there, arms crossed, with apparently no intent to make it known that we meant no harm." If the body language was there to make me fear from my safety, that is gonna cut it with a grand jury.

Maybe, maybe not. Its not something I would want to stake my life on.

Bottom like is this, the OP was in the wrong on several occasions

Agreed.

And that is a good part of this thread, thinking about what was done wrong and what could be done right if this happens to us. Unfortunately its not uncommon to break down, and thinking about it could avoid any negative situation.

. Farmer Bob wasn't. The OP shouldn't have put himself in several of the positions he was in, Farmer Bob reacted accordingly.

Tactically we're going to have to agree to disagree. If the OP was indeed one of several bad guys, Farmer Bob is now in the dark with potential hostiles, not all of whom he may know are there.

However, like your argument and farmer Bob, I stepped out into the dark last night myself, as my doggie was going berserk at what I thought was a cat. If it wasn't a cat I was in the same tactically poor position I'm arguing one shouldn't do. So maybe its "do what I say and not what I do."

Cedar Park Dad

killerfly128 wrote:
bigity wrote:I hope some of you folks never need assistance when you are out in the sticks. Because you just might get the same treatment you are advocating.
So because I understand why the homeowner was guarded when a stranger was on his property after dark in the middle of nowhere I am the bad guy?

Not saying you're a bad guy. I am saying: 1) it might not be the best idea to investigate something in the dark (Too many variables); 2) being ready to blast someone because they are on your properety is not necessarily going to cut it in front of a jury.

Cedar Park Dad

Unicorn Rancher wrote:A late night trespasser asking if he can defend himself from a homeowner?
I had to double check the calendar to be sure it wasn't 4/1.

From a homeowner not in his home, when he's broken down. Yea life isn't black and white.

Strangely enough we just had jury convict "a homeowner" for just such a thing.

Cedar Park Dad

kg5ie wrote:Time to put that "non-violent conflict resolution" stuff you talked about in CHL class to the test!

I think the unsung part of this story is that no one is mourning the loss of so much bacon of the hoof.

Cedar Park Dad

n5wd wrote:
Cedar Park Dad wrote:
killerfly128 wrote:
Rrash wrote:Who knows what Bob was thinking.
Who knows what kind of trouble Bob has had to deal with in the past.

Not seeing how walking out into the dark is a smart move for Farmer Bob (aka "the Bobster").

CPD: You've never lived out in the country, have you?

Does living out where cattle will get out and wander the road in front of the house count?

How do we know "Farmer Bob" is in fact Farmer Bob and not Meth dealer Bob, and he was protecting his "kitchen"? If ProHeath did in fact make attempts to appear non-threatening and explained the situation, and "Bob" did inspect the vehicle for the damage claimed by the occupants, wouldn't a rational person be able to put 2 and 2 together? I'm not saying that "Bob" should have allowed the occupants into his home, but at least inform them if he would allow them to leave the car on his property or not.

Thats an excellent point.

Cedar Park Dad

killerfly128 wrote:
Cedar Park Dad wrote:
killerfly128 wrote:
Rrash wrote:Who knows what Bob was thinking.
Who knows what kind of trouble Bob has had to deal with in the past.

Not seeing how walking out into the dark is a smart move for Farmer Bob (aka "the Bobster").
If there was a threat and he know he was looking at a hour plus of response time the police might not be a viable option in his mind. I never said it was the right thing to do, just that it might be more effective than waiting on PD to save the day.

not seeing how that is more effective. You step out and you've lost all your advantages if someone actually had a nefarious intent.

Cedar Park Dad

killerfly128 wrote:
Rrash wrote:Who knows what Bob was thinking.
Who knows what kind of trouble Bob has had to deal with in the past.

Not seeing how walking out into the dark is a smart move for Farmer Bob (aka "the Bobster").

Cedar Park Dad

baldeagle wrote:I think the problem with this situation, as you describe it, is that once guns are drawn and fired, all bets are off. For sure it's going to the grand jury, and you could easily be charged with a crime. I think it's equally possible that the homeowner could be charged, since you made it clear that you meant no harm. But, in the end, someone is going to end up with holes in them, and that's never good for anyone, especially in the country where help is far away and you could bleed to death before it arrives.

Of the suggestions that have been made, I think calling 911 is probably the most sensible. I think you would have been better off just leaving a note on the car and not disturbing the property owner. Waking someone up in the middle of the night will cause unpredictability at a minimum and may end in a life threatening or even life ending encounter.

Agreed.

And that goes back to the "use your brain" part. Right, wrong, no reason for it to be an issue if you can avoid the issue in the first place.
I could see pulling onto property in the interest of saefty (if nothing else the something of someone else driving along that night). Stay in the vehicle, keep your flashers on (call the police if you are actually on their property - another good idea), but don't blind the house with your headlights. Leave a note and get out of there.

Now here's a follow up. If he's on their property, would it be better to stay in the truck or physically walk off their property and stay in the road? Recommendations?

Cedar Park Dad

killerfly128 wrote:Sigh.

I can't say I blame the guy. had the same thing happened in front of my home I would have the same guarded response. I can promise I would have had a gun on me but would have been much less callus. Now if he had drawn, the wrong move to make would have been drawing on him. The best bet at that point would have been to diffuse the situation, back away, and call the police. Justified in drawing on him had he drawn on you? Maybe by the letter of the law but common sense says otherwise. (Keep in mind I am not a lawyer) I wasn't very clear as to if you were on his property or on a sidewalk/public road during your interaction. If I am reading it right you had pulled onto his property.

There is ALWAYS another choice. It might be the right one, might not be. That is where the most powerful weapon comes into play. Keeping your wits about you and making logical and rational decisions. Your morals DO NOT take any precedence over law. Ever. That mentality is a darn quick way to end up in the news. I would highly recommend to you to re-evaluate your view of what a CHL holder is really about. It isn't something that "you sign on" to do. It is a life choice that you make to decrease the likelihood of ending up in a bad place. The fact that you literally said that you have accepted that you are prepared to defend yourself when it wasn't legally justified really concerns me.

I am not trying to bring you down, but you need to hear what I am saying. Please think about it not only for your sake, but for the people in your life's sake as well as fellow CHL holders.

Wo wo but correct me if I am wrong here but:
1. He wasn't CHLing (aka he was obeying the letter and intent of the law).
2. He tried to act appropriately in an unusual situation and his actions were attempts to diffuse the situation.
3. Now that the situation has passed he's asking for advice.

Legally he is fully justified to defend himself. He has made no criminal action whatsover. Farmer Bob coming out and drawing on the poster would have been the one committing a felony, not him.

Edit: Me myself. Once I had called for help I would have just stayed in the vehicle with the hazards on, and left a note on the truck itself. That is good advice. You had good intent, but at night people get scared (and with reason).

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