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"Jay walking radicals" FML wins the thread.FML wrote:Say what you will but this is 100% brought on by the jay walking radicals who cross the street in places they do not belong. I truly believe it is their intention to do this as they perceive motorized vehicle operators as the enemy.
Fair pointsCHLLady wrote:I watched the video and read the article. The article said he edited the part out where she sat down on her own. I'd say that's trying to sway the opinion against the officers. He's not being honest, don't edit, play it as it is.
There is a high amount of deaf people in Austin, that's where TSD - Texas School for the Deaf is. Deaf or not, anyone would be startled when grabbed from behind. I used to startle the heck out of my mom. She'd calm once she saw it was me. But rational people who aren't aware they're being video taped, calm down when it's the police. In my opinion she was putting on a show for the camera. She jaywalked, not a huge crime comparatively speaking, but for safety reasons, it could save her life. She's got earbuds in and may not hear the city bus coming.
We live in a society of rules. Deal with jogging in the city and follow the rules or go to a proper track to jog. Simple.
SewTexas wrote:you guys seem to want a teenage girl to react to being grabbed from behind like a 50 year old man! You want her to have the Situational Awareness that has taken you a lifetime to develop. she was a College Student!!!! A Teenager!!!! A Kid! she could be anywhere from 18 to 22? possibly older, but statistically not. She wasn't a middle-aged man, she wasn't going to react like one, like I said earlier, the cop knew where he was setting up, he should have been prepared.
gigag04 wrote:Battery? Not in TexasCedar Park Dad wrote:I think you're actually referring to the idea of someone who is committing battery on you from behind and could be considered attempting to harm you or kidnap you.Tic Tac wrote:I'm still stunned at the idea of pulling a gun on a cop in uniform trying to give you a ticket.
Wow. Just...Wow!
Assuming you can turn around and its a police officer is one thing, but a reactive person like we talk people should be will have already reacted to escape the situation.
Assault. I forget Texas doesn't separate them out.Whats justified and what actually happens in life are two completely different things.Tic Tac wrote:Somebody having zero SA doesn't justify them pulling a gun on a uniformed cop on a busy street in broad daylight.
I think you're actually referring to the idea of someone who is committing battery on you from behind and could be considered attempting to harm you or kidnap you.Tic Tac wrote:I'm still stunned at the idea of pulling a gun on a cop in uniform trying to give you a ticket.
Wow. Just...Wow!
Well my wife is partially deaf. She woudln't need headphones to be in this situation.But this goes back to situational awareness. If you run around with headphones on while carrying and someone makes an stupid but innocent move and grabs your arm or some other method of stopping you, you need to be sure of what you are drawing your gun on.
Agreed. I'm just noting grabbing someone from behind is a good way to get shot, or getting a foot in the old baby maker, which may in fact be worse.I will say it again, initial reaction of being startled and pulling away to assess the situation is totally appropriate.
We are in complete agreement. Of course, we don't cry in our family, unless someone drops some of the wife's home baked cake. Then there's lots of crying (and joy on the part of the dogs).Her post reaction, her whining and crying fit and refusing to ID after knowing it was a police officer was not.
Exactly. In our situation we had a stalker for several years and have CHLs at recommendation of our attorney and the police themselves. She's been taught how to hurt someone who grabs her, breakaway and be in shooting mode when she breaks.SewTexas wrote:WildBill wrote:MechAg94 wrote:At first, I visualized an officer catching up to her and grabbing/tapping her shoulder to get her attention and letting her turn around and see that cops are trying to stop her. In that case, someone might jump or freak out for a couple seconds, but should calm down once they realize they are looking at a cop, not some mugger.
Hard to miss Walton and Johnson in the morning.
I can see the women being upset. This was probably her first contact with an LEO in this type of situation. I can see her being very upset, but she needs to work on her "emotional intelligence". Maybe this arrest will give her a little more perspective. That said, I hope that they drop all of the charges and just keep the citation for jaywalking. I don't think that she is a menace to society. I can also hope that this incident won't taint her long term feels toward law enforcement.
she needs to work on her "emotional intelligence" ???? what the heck is that????
let me put it this way....is your wife one of the women who carry? Cali and I carry, TAM's wife carries, if one of us is grabbed from behind, that cop is going to be facing a gun, all because he didn't announce himself in such a way as to be noticed by someone who couldn't hear him, weather that person has headphones (as is more, and more common now, so train on it) or that person is deaf or has some hearing loss. I thought police officers were trained in de-escalation? or at least not escalation. college kids are a ball full of hormones, it's all about escalation, he knew that when he set up shop there, he knew going in what his "target audience" would be, so to speak. he should have been more prepared.
Agreed.mamabearCali wrote:texanjoker wrote:VMI77 wrote:Nah, she won't. Many young women think they're invulnerable. She'll go right back to the ear buds and just hate cops.Texsquatch wrote:But she did do something wrong. Maybe the arrest was harsh, but maybe she'll also re-think the ear buds considering she was snatched from behind by two huge guys. Maybe she's lucky they were cops. There's plenty of other guys that could grab her in Austin - and she wouldn't get a chance to scream.
I don't think she had any respect in the first place otherwise she wouldn't have gone off like she did. They really should release audio of her crying rant so her parents can be proud
I think her crying audio should be played to show LEO's how young women grabbed from behind react. She might be a spoiled brat. Perhaps she would have thrown a fit anyway, we will never know. However how she was initially detained colored from the start the whole interaction. They chose to use violence (grabbing someone from behind) to initiate a contact and are surprised when it went south from there.
She might be a brat. That does not excuse them for being stupid and callous in their approach. Tap on the shoulder, tap on the arm, wave a hand in front of a persons face, there are many ways to get someone's attention apart from grabbing them from behind.
Like I said before. I have hearing loss in my right ear--not through anything I did. If a person comes up behind me and talks with say the noise of traffic in the background I won't hear them. I don't think my inability to hear in that ear necessitates me being assaulted (which if anyone else had done that stunt is what they would be charged with).
She might be a brat, but that does not mean that the LEO's were not out of line as well.
Well she and her friends certainly won't have respect for them now.texanjoker wrote:VMI77 wrote:Nah, she won't. Many young women think they're invulnerable. She'll go right back to the ear buds and just hate cops.Texsquatch wrote:But she did do something wrong. Maybe the arrest was harsh, but maybe she'll also re-think the ear buds considering she was snatched from behind by two huge guys. Maybe she's lucky they were cops. There's plenty of other guys that could grab her in Austin - and she wouldn't get a chance to scream.
I don't think she had any respect in the first place otherwise she wouldn't have gone off like she did. They really should release audio of her crying rant so her parents can be proud
Typically its at 3.00AM and the pedestrians are drunk at the time. Its a side effect of declaring your downtown a drunken fratboy sanctuary.n5wd wrote:Apparently, Austin has had some serious auto-pedestrian collisions, with at least one fatality, and the anti-jaywalking 'task force' was set up as a response to pedestrians getting run over. Most policing efforts are, after all, reactive in nature.oohrah wrote:Sure, letter of the law ... blah, blah, blah. If this happened in my city, I would be all over my councilman to reprimand the priggish police supervisor who set up the "jaywalk task force" in the first place.
Methinks you didn't hear Acevedo's first response (something about rapists...er whattt???) then his apology.n5wd wrote:What in the world does that have to do with this incident?Cedar Park Dad wrote:This is what happens when you hire a Californian to run your police department.
Agreed on all counts.mamabearCali wrote:If she really did refuse to identify and they did not just cart a screaming terrified girl off before she could calm down enough to tell them her name....well that was stupid on her. But it looked like she was terrified, not just petulant, and her being terrified is directly related to how she was detained. Perhaps (we will never know) she might have been more cooperative if she did not feel like she had just been attacked.
What I object to most is how they handled the initial contact. If a person cannot hear you and you grab them from behind, you are going to scare the living crap out of them and escalate the sitatuion. The person rightly thinks they are under attack and their reflexes and fight or flight kicks in, setting everyone up for a bad situation. Maybe the LEO's here are ok with grabbing people, but I am sure not being ok being grabbed. There are many reasons a person would not hear a LEO, ambient noise, hearing disability, and yes being silly and having your earbuds turned up too far. I have a bad ear from no fault of my own. You come up on that side of me and talk with any ambient noise and I might not hear you at all. They need a different way other than grabbing a person. Wave a hand in front of their face. Tap them on the shoulder. Tap them on the arm.
Inversely, maybe the cops are lucky she wasn't carrying and opened up on her attacker(s).Texsquatch wrote:But she did do something wrong. Maybe the arrest was harsh, but maybe she'll also re-think the ear buds considering she was snatched from behind by two huge guys. Maybe she's lucky they were cops. There's plenty of other guys that could grab her in Austin - and she wouldn't get a chance to scream.
