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Further down in subsection (g), it says: "Subsections (a)(3), (a)(4), (a)(5), (a)(6), and (a)(7) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06."
That appears to me to make 30.06 apply to all carry, not just concealed carry. Now I am confused, but if this says what I think it says, then I cannot support HB195, even though initially Charles said it was "supported".

Charles, can you shed some light on this?


OK that was how I understood it too, that's why I was confused when you started talking about including OC in 30.06 when I was talking about HB195. I didn't figure Charles would be supporting the bill if it did that. While I think the situation you described would be relatively small, I must admit it is an aspect I haven't considered before that is a possible negative consequence that should be considered and opposed. That is the kind of information I was looking for. So far I haven't seen anything about the bill that would suggest to me that I shouldn't push for HB195 to pass.

There is at least one section of HB195 that needs to be corrected: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/Search/D ... &DocType=B

Subsections (a)(3), (a)(4), (a)(5), (a)(6), and (a)(7) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

(a)(3) is on the premises of a correctional facility

Notwithstanding the editing that still needs to happen to this bill...Legally, it might change nothing to 30.06 with regard to concealed carry, but what matters is the public perception and how they react to the law. In this scenario, we will see many more businesses posted 30.06 just to keep out the open carry crowd.

Someone please explain to me how this will not limit the places I can legally carry

paxton25 wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

paxton25 wrote:

txcharvel wrote:I support the idea of open carry, but our society has become so "gun averse" that there is no way this is going to happen in a relatively short period of time. The current state of society took decades to develop, only the return of Jesus can make such a dramatic change happen overnight.

Taking all of this into account, along with the antics of OCT visiting Starbucks and Chipotle to get their picture taken...I can't understand how people don't see how this is already limiting our CHL rights with more places being posted 30.06 because of the misguided fear of being the next "target" for OCT. It pains me to say this, but it's like arguing with a liberal democrat over taxes.

I'm thankful there are people genuinely interested in preserving the freedoms that we currently enjoy. It seems that if we left it up to OCT, they would literally throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Which places have put up 30.06 signs because of OCT? And better yet if a business decides to put up a 30,06 sign why would a gun owner continue to desire to do business with someone that wants them to be disarmed?

A valid point of course. I have difficulty find any 30.06 signs, but I do live and work in a rural area, but if there were effects from it, it would likely be in a city or such, I have seen no evidence myself. But the idea of it still does worry me.

I don't know, it's a genuine question, I have seen the claim more than once in this forum that 30.06 signs have been flying up everywhere because of OC'ers but all I know of that is that some businesses said "please don't bring guns in our stores" to get MDA off their back but also said they weren't really going to ban guns. Someone asked earlier of a list of businesses that put up 30.06 signs and the response was there was no way of telling. It's kind of hard to have an honest debate when there are so many myths flying around. Just wondering if this is one of these myths or if there is actually examples those making those claims can point to.

While difficult to prove, I'm comfortable stating that Whole Foods and Sprouts only posted 30.06 in the last year as a result of OCT being in the news. Starbucks and Target wouldn't have anything to address if OCT hadn't targeted their stores (even though they didn't post 30.06, they were still forced to address the issue). Being in someone's face because it's your right doesn't help open carry anymore than it helps gay marriage, abortion, or "insert liberal cause here". When I see OCT protests, I ask myself the same question I ask when I see liberals protesting their favorite causes...don't these people have jobs?

I'm tired of the same old argument "why would a gun owner want to do business where we are not wanted" This attitude will get us nowhere, literally...does anyone understand that the idea that carrying concealed anywhere we want is a realistic goal. We've already seen areas opened up to us that were off limits in the past (churches, hospitals, amusement parks, city owned property). Campus carry needs to be next. If more and more businesses post 30.06, the only place we'll be allowed to go is the gun range, WalMart, and HEB. I don't want to have to make a judgement call on the size of letters when I enter a Whole Foods. I don't want to be a test case, I just want to go about my business while being able to protect myself. OCT is not helping me in this regard.

I support the idea of open carry, but our society has become so "gun averse" that there is no way this is going to happen in a relatively short period of time. The current state of society took decades to develop, only the return of Jesus can make such a dramatic change happen overnight.

Taking all of this into account, along with the antics of OCT visiting Starbucks and Chipotle to get their picture taken...I can't understand how people don't see how this is already limiting our CHL rights with more places being posted 30.06 because of the misguided fear of being the next "target" for OCT. It pains me to say this, but it's like arguing with a liberal democrat over taxes.

I'm thankful there are people genuinely interested in preserving the freedoms that we currently enjoy. It seems that if we left it up to OCT, they would literally throw the baby out with the bathwater.