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jerry_r60 wrote:

Bladed wrote:

steveincowtown wrote:

jerry_r60 wrote:

steveincowtown wrote:

jerry_r60 wrote:Testimony is over. The bill author closed with an opening for an amendment to take away the criminal penalty, that's what it sounded like to me. If this bill passed, I'd prefer that amendment than not, but It would be better to not have the bill and work to remove the criminal penalty from the existing 30.06.

Really? If there is no criminal penalty they can make the gun busters sign any sign that says "pull" or "push" and it is just fine by me.

Just because I won't be punished, if the code says I should not be carrying past the sign because the business owner doesnt' want me in there, I would not. I'd be happy that I wouldn't be in trouble if I missed a sign.

Hold on. I changed my mind already. Even though 30.06 wouldn't apply, wouldn't it just revert back to 30.05? And ....

2) "Notice" means:
(A) oral or written communication by the owner or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner;

Removing the criminal penalty associated with PC Section 30.06 wouldn't necessarily change PC Section 30.05, which currently states:

(f) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that:
(1) the basis on which entry on the property or land or in the building was forbidden is that entry with a handgun was forbidden; and
(2) the person was carrying a concealed handgun and a license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun.

With that said, I seriously doubt that the Texas Legislature is going to remove all criminal penalties associated with PC Section 30.06.

The discussion that was going on in the testimony wasn't just removing the criminal penalty from the existing 30.06, it was a modified version with substantial change to the sign requirements. The bill may not pass however there was testimony and then a couple comments between the committee memebers suggesting the idea that the bill would be more palatable with an amendment removing the penalty.

I know what the discussion was about. My comments were in reply to the suggestion that removing the criminal penalty associated with PC Section 30.06 would automatically make PC Section 30.05 applicable to concealed carry.

steveincowtown wrote:

jerry_r60 wrote:

steveincowtown wrote:

jerry_r60 wrote:Testimony is over. The bill author closed with an opening for an amendment to take away the criminal penalty, that's what it sounded like to me. If this bill passed, I'd prefer that amendment than not, but It would be better to not have the bill and work to remove the criminal penalty from the existing 30.06.

Really? If there is no criminal penalty they can make the gun busters sign any sign that says "pull" or "push" and it is just fine by me.

Just because I won't be punished, if the code says I should not be carrying past the sign because the business owner doesnt' want me in there, I would not. I'd be happy that I wouldn't be in trouble if I missed a sign.

Hold on. I changed my mind already. Even though 30.06 wouldn't apply, wouldn't it just revert back to 30.05? And ....

2) "Notice" means:
(A) oral or written communication by the owner or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner;

Removing the criminal penalty associated with PC Section 30.06 wouldn't necessarily change PC Section 30.05, which currently states:

(f) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that:
(1) the basis on which entry on the property or land or in the building was forbidden is that entry with a handgun was forbidden; and
(2) the person was carrying a concealed handgun and a license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun.

With that said, I seriously doubt that the Texas Legislature is going to remove all criminal penalties associated with PC Section 30.06.

RetNavy wrote:Called everyone except Rep Navarez. was told by Rep Wavy and Metcalf aide that they opposed... rest gave non-committal answers...


I am in Austin for a few days... it might be something to watch... know that am allowed in Capital but since that is a govt meeting am I allowed to watch while carrying...

You can carry throughout the Capitol, including in hearing rooms. The law against carrying at a governmental meeting applies only if the meeting is posted 30.06. Committee hearings normally aren't posted. I say "normally" because committees have occasionally discussed the possibility of posting 30.06 at particularly contentions hearings, but I'm not aware of any examples of this actually happening. In fact, I'm not aware of any 30.06 signs being posted in the Capitol since the days when the galleries were secured with metal detectors and posted 30.06 while the respective houses were convened. That went away when the entire building was secured with metal detectors (which CHL holders are allowed to bypass).