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by Bladed
Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:13 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now
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CJD wrote:Maybe they're trying to get it through calendars while they wait for sb17 to go through homeland security.
That would be my guess.

The Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee can vote on SB 17 as soon as they receive it (they don't have to hold another hearing), but Straus may wait a while before referring SB 17 to committee, and that is time during which the Calendars Committee could be debating HB 910.
by Bladed
Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:09 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now
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Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

CJD wrote:
TVGuy wrote:Log says substitute bill was voted favorably. Wouldn't that be the SB 17 version?
Probably
No, the substituted bill would be CSHB 910. SB 17 has not yet been referred to committee in the House.
by Bladed
Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:59 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now
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Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

CJD wrote:
TVGuy wrote:
CJD wrote:
v7a wrote:
The committee did not vote on a separate bill allowing concealed handguns in university dorms, classrooms and other buildings.

Phillips, chairman of the committee, said the panel will wait for the Senate’s campus-carry bill to be referred to the panel. Senate Bill 11, which would allow private colleges to opt out, was approved last week on a party-line Senate vote.
Any speculation on why they would wait for SB11 but not SB17?
Perhaps they substituted the same language.
They received SB 17 on 3/18 and SB 11 on 3/20. Guessing next meeting.
If they substituted SB17 language into HB910, I believe they wouldn't need to do anything with SB17 since they are companions.
The House must vote on SB 17, not HB 910, in order for open carry to pass. If SB 17 (but not HB 910) passes in the Senate and HB 910 (but not SB 17) passes in the House, open carry fails to pass.

The only advantage to the two bills being companion bills is that SB 17 can take HB 910's place on the House calendar if SB 17 is also passed out of the Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee and if HB 910 is already scheduled for a vote.
by Bladed
Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:14 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now
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Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Srnewby wrote:Read in the House rules that bills approved by the Senate are to receive first reading and assignment to committee as soon as "practicable". SB 17 was received in the House a week ago tomorrow. If SB 17 has not been assigned to a committee by the end of this week, I'm thinking it is pretty clear that the Speaker is stalling.
SB 17 wasn't received by the House until last Friday (four days ago).

Of the 32 Senate bills thus far received by the House (some of which were received weeks before SB 17), two have been referred to committee.

We don't gain anything by jumping to conclusions.
by Bladed
Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:25 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now
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Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

joe817 wrote:
mojo84 wrote:Who assigns the bills to the committees?
I'll go out on a limb and say the Speaker of the House assigns a bill to committee when first introduced.....but don't hold me to that. :lol:
That is correct. On first reading in the House, the Speaker assigns the bill to a committee.
by Bladed
Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:01 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now
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dac1842 wrote:In the House the biggest obstacle to overcome is the Speaker of the House. He lost sight of his role many years ago, and likes to be a dictator, without the tator...
He likes to kill bills in the calendars committee...
The thing about Straus and his minions in the Calendars Committee is that they generally like to maintain plausible deniability. They want to be able to deflect blame or claim they just ran out of time. With Calendars (presumably, depending on the actions of the Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee) getting the major gun bills so early this session, the members of the Calendars committee (and, by proxy, Straus) are going to have to decide whether they're willing to leave their fingerprints on the corpses of open carry and campus carry.
by Bladed
Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:01 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now
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Srnewby wrote:OK. I am a little bit confused. HB 910 is not on the House calendar because it has not been approved by Homeland Security and has not gone to Calendars Committee for scheduling. How does that impact the process just described?
It doesn't. TexasCajun asked how companion bills work.

What matters right now is that the House has already held a hearing on open carry and won't hold a separate hearing for a virtually identical bill. Assuming SB 17 is read and referred on Monday, the House Committee on Homeland Security & Public Safety will most likely vote on it at their Tuesday meeting.

The same goes for campus carry.
by Bladed
Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:54 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now
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RogueUSMC wrote:But once the amendments get tacked on, I don't think they are companions like that any more...
Amendments and committee substitutes don't affect "companion" status. In fact, the Speaker or the Lieutenant Governor (depending on the chamber) can make a companion bill of a bill that wasn't originally listed as a companion bill.
by Bladed
Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:37 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now
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TexasCajun wrote:So how does it work when each chamber is working on companion bills? The Homeland Security Committee already heard testimony on the companion bills of those that just passed from the Senate to the House?
If a bill is on the House or Senate calendar when its companion bill gets passed out of the opposite chamber; that companion bill can--after being voted out of committee--be called up in place of the bill on the calendar. Basically, the companion bill takes the place of the bill already scheduled for a vote, but it still has to be approved by the second chamber's committee.

If a House bill is on the House calendar when a Senate bill is passed by the Senate, it still has to be passed by the House committee to which it's assigned, but it doesn't have to be scheduled by Calendars. The House author can simply call up the Senate companion bill when the House reaches his bill on the Calendar.
by Bladed
Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:30 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now
Replies: 276
Views: 42057

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

joe817 wrote:
Bladed wrote:This is not accurate. The House is not required to hold public hearings on bills and does not do so on bills that are substantially similar to bills on which they've already held hearings. The Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee will vote on SB 17 and shelve HB 910.

They do have to wait for SB 17 to go through first reading and be assigned to the committee, though. If that doesn't happen before Tuesday, I suspect they'll wait and vote on SB 17 at their next meeting. The alternative would be to vote on HB 910 at this meeting and then vote on SB 17 at the next meeting, which is kind of pointless.
Not arguing with you, but that contradicts the flow chart on P.20 of the link posted above. But that's a minor point, I'm not willing to debate. :tiphat:
My statement isn't based on a flow chart; it's based on the official House Rules and my own years of experience.

The House committee never would have scheduled a committee hearing on HB 910 if that had meant they would also have to hold a hearing on SB 17.
by Bladed
Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:13 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now
Replies: 276
Views: 42057

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

joe817 wrote:
CJD wrote:
TVGuy wrote:I see the Homeland Security Committee is scheduled to meet again next Tuesday, 3/24. Are we expecting a vote on OC and Campus Carry bill in that meeting?
If the Senate versions of these 2 bills have been received by the House, then do they go to Calendars? If so, does it matter whether these 2 get voted on?

If not, would these go to Homeland Security & Public Safety? If this is the case, could the House versions be substituted for the Senate versions, which would simplify the process if the House doesn't approve any amendments?

Question not necessarily directed at TVGuy, just stemming off your post.
Basically, the process starts allllll over again, just like they started out in the Senate. There's a 1st reading on the House Floor, where it is assigned a committee(Homeland Security). They will have a public hearing to discuss, listen to testimony, etc. then vote on it. It's THEN passed to Calendars Committee, where it's assigned a calendar. When it reaches the House Floor there's a 2nd reading, and if passed goes to the 3rd reading, where it'll be debated and voted on. If passed without amendments, the bill(s) are "enrolled" meaning it's then signed by both the Lt.Governor & Speaker of the House. THEN it goes to the Governor for signing. That is IF there's NO amendments from the House. If there are amendments, it's kicked back over to the Senate. If the Senate concurs, then the bill is "enrolled"(again). And the final process repeats itself.

There's a really nifty flowchart that shows the stages of a bill as it flows through the legislative process. I've found it very useful:

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It's on P. 20 of 73 in the .pdf file.
This is not accurate. The House is not required to hold public hearings on bills and does not do so on bills that are substantially similar to bills on which they've already held hearings. The Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee will vote on SB 17 and shelve HB 910.

They do have to wait for SB 17 to go through first reading and be assigned to the committee, though. If that doesn't happen before Tuesday, I suspect they'll wait and vote on SB 17 at their next meeting. The alternative would be to vote on HB 910 at this meeting and then vote on SB 17 at the next meeting, which is kind of pointless.
by Bladed
Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:25 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now
Replies: 276
Views: 42057

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RogueUSMC wrote:All this over a statistical non-issue...

A discussion with a coworker resulted in us doing the math.

12000 Tyler Junior College student population
3000 For the sake of argument split the classes up evenly four ways allowing the seniors to be in the agegroup that can have a license
90 Roughly 3% of the states population has chosen to obtain a license
45 Polls have shown about half of license holders donnot carry on a regular basis

So, that is roughly 45 out of 12000 that might, statistically, be carrying a gun on a regular basis.

Add to that the fact that those 45 are 17 times less likely to break the law than the other 11955.

A statistical non-issue made out to be an unbelievable crisis!
SCC has some statistics on the rate of licensure among Texans of typical college age:

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