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by NcongruNt
Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:19 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Scenario discussion
Replies: 44
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txinvestigator wrote:
yerasimos wrote:Whenever I see the homie-briefcase clip from Collateral, I always think that Vincent would have taken a bullet or two from the BG on the right (bald/shaved-head guy) if Baldy had the skills to get his gun out when his hand was on it (you see his hand buried in his jacket before the shooting starts, and you see a gun in Baldy's hand after he falls to the ground).

Only in Hollywood can a guy have his hand on his gun while his partner-in-crime holds a man at gunpoint, then let his partner take two bullets, then take two bullets himself, then fall down incapacitated with his arm extended, gun in hand, and never get a single shot off. (In fairness, sloppy editing may play a role with that last part.) I would expect in the real world that Baldy would have his gun out also, or be able to finish his draw and fire at least once before going down.
I have seen people frozen with shock and surprise in MANY circumstances. That clip, although out of hollywood, is pretty accurate in the way humans behave. Bad Guy #1 was use to people complying because he had a gun. So was BG#2. When met with aggressive and effective force neither was prepared. They had to recognize the force, decide what to do, and execute. By then Vincent was thru. Notice how fast he fired the four shots.

BTW, they had a good technical director. Notice BG #1 was close and was shot with a "speed rock" and since #2 was moving back Vincent extended to a two handed hold.
Right, that's what I noticed. The draw and quick shots off at the first guy, moving to a 2-hand hold with the second. I also noted the left palm strike also acted to create a barrier with his left arm to keep the first BG's right arm from moving to make a shot. It seems like a good tactic for such close quarters when drawn on without the ability to retreat or seek cover. I maybe would have moved rearwards during the first two shots, that way turning radius is reduced to address the second guy.

This is very close to the training done in the "Draw, Move, and Shoot" clinic at Forum Day. Strike to the head, shots from immediately after draw, moving to two hands while firing several shots and moving back or at an angle.
by NcongruNt
Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:55 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Scenario discussion
Replies: 44
Views: 5247

txinvestigator wrote:ahh,

here is what I would do;

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What is that from? I've apparently not seen it. Impressively good technique for something coming out of Hollywood.

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