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Pariah3j wrote:

EEllis wrote:
Where does it say they let him go? They also didn't apologize, they basically just said "hey we like guns and that guy is gone so please forget about this." All that really says to me is they have crappy PR people.

locke_n_load wrote:I don't know if this has been posted, but here is an excerpt from the Rosenberg Police Department Facebook page:

“In light of the recent media publicity regarding the traffic arrest of an armed CHL holder, we felt compelled to make a statement. The Rosenberg Police Department supports our 2nd Amendment rights, and all CHL holders. Please do not allow an isolated incident or the actions of one Officer to tarnish the image of the entire Agency. The arresting Officer is no longer employed with our Department. We stand with our Community.”

Via Rosenberg Police Department Facebook page.

I would post the link, but I don't have FB from work (copied and pasted from an email I sent myself).

That is an apology - the only thing they didn't use was the word sorry.

Pariah3j wrote:

Please do not allow an isolated incident or the actions of one Officer to tarnish the image of the entire Agency.

yet...

The police spokesman said the events were investigated and were "within policy."

Feels like they are trying to play both sides of the fence here... He obviously violated policy and made the agency look bad, or why else would they let him go and apologize for his actions...

handog wrote:

couzin wrote:

EEllis wrote:...If accurate it is of course unconscionable but you also have a guy who was slow to stop, tried to turn a stop into some kind of discussion, purposely or not answered questions about his gun in a manner that could be considered evasive, and that's just in the news report and highly edited video that was designed to show the man as a victim...

Yep - and even from this side of the lens, I got that buzz from the guy when he got out of the car, he was definitely projecting his unhappy...

Clearly this is an apologist thread for the arresting officer. Slow to pull over? 45 seconds to find a safe place to stop is not unreasonable. Unhappy? Gonzalez wasn't changing lanes. He was making a right turn without a signal and wasn't impeding anybody. By the way, I ride a motorcycle and nothing peeves me more on the road than when a driver doesn't signal his or her intentions. Of course he wasn't "happy" for being pulled over for something so chicken scratch.

And this: "I would have said "Yes sir. I have a loaded P238 with one in the chamber in a belt holster at 3 o'clock." Really? I don't know anyone who speaks with such detail. Especially after being pulled over. Why not Inform the officer the ammo is Remington 95 grain FMJ? Gonzales let the officer know his gun wasn't in the glove box, it was on his person. It doesn't matter if it's one o'clock or three o'clock.

I have also read numerous claims that Gonzales had warrants for his arrest which I find odd because CHL holders are not outlaws generally speaking. None of these claims have been backed up with a link or proof. I have watched the video and the officer clearly states that he is being arrested for the traffic violations. A turn signal and a cracked wind shield which obviously calls for back up with guns drawn.

casp625 wrote: Yep, and a response with guns drawn was the appropriate answer.

handog wrote:

EEllis wrote:

Texsquatch wrote:Asking why he was being pulled over is escalating the situation from a minor traffic stop to an arrest?

I believe in being polite, but if we're judging videos here, I've seen plenty where people were down right rude and irate to the officer and they get a ticket and a "have a nice day" from the officer.

Who said that? I believe it was pointed out as something the driver did , and I won't even call it wrong, but it can lead to conflict. Instead of just letting the cop control the situation the driver is attempting to assert control. Obviously that can lead to increased conflict. We have no way of knowing that it had anything at all to do with the arrest but generally speaking it's not something that will improve your interaction but there you are.

Asking why you've been pulled over is an attempt to assert control? That's a stretch. It's not as if he said WHATS THE PROBLEM?
He also has the right to ask if he was being detained or if he were free to go without repercussions.

Texsquatch wrote:Asking why he was being pulled over is escalating the situation from a minor traffic stop to an arrest?

I believe in being polite, but if we're judging videos here, I've seen plenty where people were down right rude and irate to the officer and they get a ticket and a "have a nice day" from the officer.