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by ScubaSigGuy
Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:07 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Shooting at Virginia Tech
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Venus Pax wrote:A few of my students asked me today, "Miss, what do we do if somebody comes to the school and starts shooting people?" (I got similar questions from students after 9/11.)

I looked at them and told them to fight with everything in them. I reminded them that I will not condone them fighting one another on campus, but that if an attacker enters the school and is threatening their lives, then I want them to fight.

One boy asked, "Well what do we use, a desk? Do I throw a desk at him?"

I told him to throw everything they had at the person to subdue him. (I say him, since I'm not familiar with any female school shooters. When we ladies get upset about something, we prefer to eat a half gallon of Blue Bell.)

We discussed 9/11, and how Flight 93 passengers responded when they found out the intentions of the hijackers. My students seemed relieved to have my blessing on their innate reflex to fight back when attacked.

Venus,

I sure don't envy you having to answer those questions. Good job with your students, I only wish every teacher thought like you do and wasn't afraid to say it. What grade do you teach?
by ScubaSigGuy
Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:04 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Shooting at Virginia Tech
Replies: 104
Views: 18015

This is an excerpt from an email a friend sent me. He was not sure who the author was.

Now to be fair I have been to Israel and they have the CCW issue down. I am not aware of anywhere that you cannot carry if licensed. Everywhere I went I was asked if I had a gun. The security folks want to know who has them but that's it. It stays concealed. This IMHO is a viable solution.


In the last two years especially, street terrorist attacks in Israel have repeatedly been shortstopped by armed Israeli citizens. A terrorist opens fire at a crowded bus stop; a passing Israeli motorist draws his 9mm pistol and cuts him down. A late-arriving security man with an M-16 hoses the twitching terrorist just to make sure.

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Another terrorist attempts to trigger an explosive device in a public place. An Israeli housewife draws her pistol and shoots him dead before he can detonate the bomb. The would-be martyr dies alone.

A third terrorist opens fire with an automatic weapon in an Israeli school. What could have been a mass murder on the scale of Columbine or greater is limited to a very short casualty list when Israeli parents and grandparents, who have provided volunteer armed security after receiving state training, open fire and kill him with their concealed pistols.

Note that in each of these episodes, it was an armed citizen who stopped the terror. Not a soldier. Not a security guard. Not a police officer. Just as wolves do not try to seize a lamb under the nose of the sheepdog, terrorists do not strike where armed protectors are known to be present. They scout the turf and select their victims more carefully than that.

Israel began the program of armed citizen guards in the schools after the Maalot massacre in the 1970s, when a large number of children were slain in a terrorist incident. The volunteer parents work in plain clothes, armed with concealed semi-automatic pistols, and are trained by Israel's home guard. It is significant that in the more than a quarter century between Maalot and the incident mentioned above when the citizen guards shot down the terrorist in the school in 2002, not a single child was murdered in an Israeli school!

The reason is that Israel wisely publicized the fact that the civilian volunteer guards, indistinguishable from the regular teaching and administrative staff, would be in place. It served as a tremendously effective deterrent. No Moslem fanatic who wants to go to Allah as a successful warrior who has slain many infidels visualizes himself making the trip after having been shot down by some geriatric with a gun before completing his mission. Any head trip as arrogant as that of a self-styled martyr cannot tolerate the thought of an ignominious death at the hands of an ordinary victim. It would be like a wolf picturing its own throat being torn out by a sheep: simply unthinkable, and therefore a natural deterrent.

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