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TAM, I can not compare a marijuana stop to a NYC stop and frisk for a gun. The concept may be the same but the results of allowing a thug to have a gun is not the same as allowing a teenager to have a joint. I know that constitutionally you are probably correct but there are levels of police action that may be tolerable although not desirable. Our government has done MUCH more to deprive us of our constitutional rights then the cop on the beat doing a search and frisk of a thug.

Dave2 wrote:

rotor wrote:We have a government that we know is breaking laws, political motivation to deprive conservative groups tax free status, HRC lying and endangering national security, the POTUS creating laws without going through congress, spying on average folks communications without a warrant and we are worried about stop and frisk.
I happen to believe that good cops know which street thugs in NYC are carrying or not. Sure it is profiling and you go after the groups that are most likely to be criminals.

It has nothing to do with "profiling". The 4th amendment says the government needs a reason to search your stuff.

rotor wrote:If cops had those X-ray glasses that we all played with as kids and could spot a gun on a thug just by looking would we be upset?

Yes, see above.

I agree the government needs a reason to search your "stuff" and I pointed out that they are doing it now by gathering your phone records and who knows what else. That's why Snowden is in Russia. If a cop sees an individual that "looks like a bad guy that is probably carrying" is that not profiling? They probably don't frisk 80 year old ladies on crutches. And what about all those border patrol stops near the border with Mexico. I am sure that profiling discretion is used by those agents when they stop you. I am not saying that I like it but we all profile every day. I grew up in a bad neighborhood in NYC as a kid and I can tell you that I profiled people all the time. When I saw a bad guy coming down the street I immediately crossed the street or turned and went the other way. You get that tingly feeling when you know someone doesn't look right.

We have a government that we know is breaking laws, political motivation to deprive conservative groups tax free status, HRC lying and endangering national security, the POTUS creating laws without going through congress, spying on average folks communications without a warrant and we are worried about stop and frisk.
I happen to believe that good cops know which street thugs in NYC are carrying or not. Sure it is profiling and you go after the groups that are most likely to be criminals. If cops had those X-ray glasses that we all played with as kids and could spot a gun on a thug just by looking would we be upset? I think experienced cops have that ability, perhaps they don't have the glasses. Is it constitutional, I don't know for sure but I do know that gang members are treated differently, cities do have curfews for minors and the courts don't seem to know who should be allowed into a restroom that is labeled "men's room". I don't think that the LGBT community will save many lives with transgender bathrooms but stop and frisk did. The courts though don't seem to be consistent on a lot of these issues. It is not a perfect world.