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cb1000rider wrote:
rotor wrote: There is so much more to the meaning of the 2nd amendment than just concealed carry and self defense. This is how we maintain liberty. This is why we don't want our firearms registered. I know I am preaching to the choir but there is so much more to the 2nd amendment.
Just curious, in that context - and that context alone that an armed public keeps a corrupt government at bay, isn't it out of date? There was a time when governments would line up armies of solders and have them shoot at each other. The militia arms were not necessarily at a tactical disadvantage. These days, what is a government going to do when facing armed insurgents? Do we deploy a group of soldiers to line up and take pot-shots at the insurgents? No... We bomb them via a remote vehicle while sitting in a chair halfway around the world. There is no armed militia in the world that has a chance against an oppressive government armed with modern weapons.

I suppose the "Red Dawn" scenario might have some validity, but as a tool for keeping our own government thinking twice about military success? No way...

I'm in for concealed carry and self defense. I don't want to change the 2nd amendment. I just think that when drafted, the drafters had no means to see this far into the future.

End of off topic...

Look at Syria. The rebels don't seem to have the sophisticated weapons that the government has. Look at Afghanistan. The Taliban fighting with relatively unsophisticated weapons against a far superior military. Don't forget, these are the people that the Russian military couldn't beat.

rotor

baldeagle wrote:Isn't the end goal to have the unrestricted right to defend yourself and your loved ones from attacks by predators?

This has never been in question and I have no argument with your comments.

Quoting Wikipedia
Experience in America prior to the U.S. Constitution
Ideals that helped to inspire the Second Amendment in part are symbolized by the minutemen.Early English settlers in America viewed the right to arms and/or the right to bear arms and/or state militias as important for one or more of these purposes (in no particular order):
enabling the people to organize a militia system.
participating in law enforcement;
deterring tyrannical government;
repelling invasion;
suppressing insurrection, allegedly including slave revolts;
facilitating a natural right of self-defense.

Deterring tyranical government, either external as in the American Revolution or internal ( which we all pray will never happen here). These rights predate the constitution and are more than just self defense, it is assurance that a tyrannical government will never be able to suppress an unarmed population, eg Germany in WW2. There is so much more to the meaning of the 2nd amendment than just concealed carry and self defense. This is how we maintain liberty. This is why we don't want our firearms registered. I know I am preaching to the choir but there is so much more to the 2nd amendment.

rotor

Texas, Florida, New York, Illionois, South Carolina, District of Columbia and Territory of Virgin Islands seem to be the only places that don't allow open carry ( correct me if I am wrong). This alone is an argument to allow open carry. Doesn't seem to be much of a problem in Oklahoma which I think is the newest state to allow it. Would I open carry? Probably not and I don't agree with the people that are over the top about this but there might be a time that I would carry outside the waist band unconcealed. Would I want to see a bunch of guys coming into WalMart with their AR15 in swat type outfits- no way. Would it bother me to see a nice S&W 19 on someones hip while doing routine shopping- not at all.

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