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JP171 wrote:

Nightshift wrote:"As I see things at this point you asked a question, we gave an answer. Our answer is not one that you agree with, our theory isn't one you can subscribe to and therefore you are becomming intractable or purposely obtuse in reading the answers. When one becomes petulant upon reading something that doesn't agree with ones preconcieved notion, one should reconsider if ones belief and value system is infact valid or is one looking to make a statement by petulance."

Wow, no I wasnt being petulant, intractible, or purposely obtuse (another attack on me not based on any response), I was defending myself from an outright accusation that I was trying to paint all LEOs as being bad or something and even more so that I was trying to get the person that said that to also agree with me. Which is absurd if you read my comments I only stated my experience.

The person who accused me of trying to paint all LEO's as bad did not say "I believe you are attempting to paint all LEO's as unprofessional, unethical", he stated as fact that I was actually attempting to do so. "I will not legitimize your continued attempt to paint all LEO's as unprofessional, unethical or whatever with a response"

Also, bringing up my past comments as if I was on trial here in an attempt to paint me as being negative towards LEOs when in actuality I have posted on 6 different topics and you only choose to bring up certain ones that might seem to be negative (although they are not) is also in my opinion absurd and what seems to be an attempt to paint me as someone I am not. My issue that I had with NICS denial was again a legitimate thing that I had to get worked out and it was resolved. I was completely fair in my assessment of the situtation.

Finally, I am more inclined now to actually deny a right to search after reading these comments, but I really dont like the way this conversation has ended up. This should be a forum for learning and sharing of experiences and not people attacking others. That is all I am going to say on this topic.

"I will not legitimize your continued attempt to paint all LEO's as unprofessional" who said I was attempting anything, so you are saying that my experience with cops has to be the same as yours, or its invalid? Whatever then. Thanks.

I am not so much trying to state a position, more trying to pose a question to see what people think. I would like to hear opinions on this as I am not decided on what to do in that situation but in my opinion and from my experience most of the cops that I have dealt with when I am by myself tend to be somewhat on a power trip. That is my experience. However when I am with my wife or another person most cops tend to be much less likely to act this way. During my CHL class the instructor pretty much told us to comply with any request including search because ultimately if they want to search, they will find a way to do it. Part of the class we talked about a situation where and when to use deadly force and the discussion basically ended up with the conclusion that if someone is stealing your car lets say or some other property if you use deadly force you will go to jail and you will have to hire a lawyer to defend yourself. In the end its going to cost you a lot of money regardless of whether you are found innocent of any charges. So in the end you have to way the odds of whether its worth the cost of defending yourself and if its not a life threatening situation most of the time its not worth the cost. In the same manner I would have to ask the question which I originally posed, is it worth the chance that you may end up in worse trouble if you refuse to allow a search than to just allow the search. I dont know, like I said I am not fully decided on this as I have never had to deal with a search. I believe you should stand up for your rights but at the same time, standing up for them may cost you more than just allowing a search.

I see a lot of people saying to refuse a search, my feeling is that a refusal only makes you look more suspicious and most cops already view people as having something to hide and with so many unscrupulous cops with power trips out there if you refuse they will just bring a dog and claim the dog is smelling something and even worse if you make them go through all of that to search your car they may be irritated enough to plant something. Then you go to jail or prison just to stand up for your rights. So is refusing the smartest thing you can do in this situation?