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by srothstein
Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:09 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Question on open carry for U.S. Military in Texas...
Replies: 73
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Re: Question on open carry for U.S. Military in Texas...

bronco78 wrote:No commander I've met, known, read about, seen, heard about is out there authorizing his (her) Soldiers to take a military weapon off post in open carry.. their are no military duties to be discharged in such a manner as far as my 24 years of service can come up with.
CID carries off post all the time since their patrol area is usually counties wide and they have to check all the school ROTC units and the recruiter stations too.

And the commander of the Armed Forces Police Detachment in San Antonio has all of his men open carry off post. They are in uniform, on patrol around the city, and based out of the city police headquarters. They were very helpful when we had a situation involving an active duty service member.

So, there definitely are military personnel open carrying off post. Most are in uniform, but some are in civilian clothes. The civilian clothes people usually carry concealed, but, like many cops, they get lax about putting their jackets back on every so often.
by srothstein
Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:16 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Question on open carry for U.S. Military in Texas...
Replies: 73
Views: 10797

Re: Question on open carry for U.S. Military in Texas...

OK, I see we need some laws read into this situation. First and foremost, if he was military and discharging his duties, he is allowed to open carry anywhere in Texas. 46.15(b)(1) makes 46.02 non-applicable to the military in the discharge of their duties.

Second, only the military can say what the discharge of their duties are. While dropping a child off at school may not sound like official duties, he is in the discharge of his duties if he has regulations requiring him to be armed at all times.

Third, there are so many exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act that it is almost null. Active duty military can assist local police in many cases, such as drug cases, weapons cases, and border patrol. Two examples of this from Texas history are the military helping the ATF/FBI at the Branch Davidians compound in Waco (one of the complaints was that the ATF lied to Ann Richards by claiming drugs were involved to get he military equipment and training) and the shooting of Ezequiel Hernandez by marines on border patrol.

And given all of that, my money would be he was a poser. I am not involved in the military and have not been since 1983, but I know of no regulation requiring anyone to be armed 24 hours. I know general officers used to be authorized that privilege, but even they were not required to be. And, as many others have pointed out, most of the special operations soldiers do not tell anyone they are in special operations. Those that do will usually claim their branch, not spec ops (except for a very few whose branch is still classified - like Delta Force was when it was first started). I strongly agree that the police should be called if he shows up again.

There is an Armed Force Police unit in San Antonio that can tell you if he is active duty and where he is stationed. They would take a report on this incident and refer it to the appropriate unit if he is in violation. The MP's at Ft. Hood would probably also due this. I recommend the current incident be reported to the military to prevent a case of stolen valor.

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