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Roberts did not "prove" RBCD bullets were garbage. He may have proved that Lemas lied in their marketing. Not the same thing.

Roberts also may have some credibility issues of his own if you do enough reading.

RBCD basically does what any frangible, Glaser, Magsafe, etc, does, i.e. it creates a relatively wide, relatively shallow wound. It does it in basically the same way; i.e. it is a lightweight, high velocity frangible bullet.

If you have to have something that meets the FBI standards that Andy posted, you don't want RBCD.

However, I don't entirely trust the FBI or any government agency to get things right. For example, if you read all the accounts of the Miami FBI shootout, particularly Massad Ayoob's accounts, a very early shot actually hit the heart of the BG who shot most of the agents. It was a mortal wound but didn't kill him right away. In other words, it penetrated just fine but still didn't stop the fight. The fight was stopped when a heroic agent fired mutiple shotgun blasts one handed at the BG. One of them hit the BG in his shooting handing rendering it inoperative. That stopped the fight even though it wasn't a fatal wound.

Other sources indicate that frangible bullets can and have stopped BGs.

And from my own testing of Glaser, Magsafe and RBCD, which I admit isn't scientific, I am convinced that RBCD will make the widest diameter hole with the same penetration.

Are they a silver bullet? Nope, there are no silver bullets. But I believe they have their place. I like that fact that they won't ricochet and that they will not have as much penetration through walls. So I use them for my first two rounds. I figure, maybe a bad assumption, that if I am in a fight lasting more than two rounds, I will probably need better penetration. So for the rest of my load I use Corbon DPX.

BTW, I may own RBCD bullets but otherwise have no commercial relationship with them. I just like them for certain purposes.

Yep, some people think it is a fraud; some people don't like it; and some people thing its great.

Like all frangible rounds it produces relatively shallow very wide wounds. In my testing it had a wider diameterthough than magsafe or Glaser.

I enjoyed rereading the defensive carry thread since I was one of the contributors to it.

RBCD isn't for everyone. But I have tested it for myself and whatever it is made of it made big holes in the meat I shot. Were my tests scientic? Nope. But they convinced me that RBCD has a place in my load outs.

So if interested, go out and shoot some meat. See what it does for yourself.

I generally carry a mixed load. In 9mm, 2 RBCD on top and then Corbon DPX 115. In 45, 2 RBCD on top and then Corbon DPX 185 or Hydroshok 230.

I have shot the RBCD and DPX in pork roast. The RBCD only penetrates about 7 inches but make a huge hole - 5 inches in diameter with the 9 mm. The DPX makes about half inch hole but will penetrate 17 inches or better.

I figure if the first two shots with the big diameter holes ought to discourage most - 90 %? - BGs with less chance of killing them. If theydon't discourage a BG, it is time for more penetration. Most think differently, but that's my theory.