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jbirds1210 wrote:This is the primary reason I never chose to become a CHL instructor....I would be scared and likely run off all of my business. I have a great deal of patience and think I am a pretty nice fellow....that all changes if a gun is pointed at me.

I have to agree that a CHL class that requires the instructor to take time teaching gun handling skills is at least a distraction to others taking the course. Safe gun handling should have not be taught on the day of qualification.

Bingo!!!

My grandaddy once told me that if a man points a gun at or near you...

Knock 'em down to the ground real hard, and then ask them if its loaded...

HighVelocity wrote:

Liberty wrote:

Photoman wrote:
Lets face it, most people out there carrying guns are not "gun people" and would be MUCH safer with a good double-action revolver.

I don't buy this. If the 4 rules are followed. Any modern gun is safe to carry. Guns aren't dangerous, people are. The SA/NSA distinction in our CHL laws is stupid.

That's the root of the problem. People get careless and complacent with their tools. "It'll never happen to me", famous last words.

You got that right! Distractions can certainly lead to problems as well...

I always thought that if I was in doubt, stop what you are doing, take a breath, think about it, and check it anyway, again...Just to be sure in your mind...

Renegade wrote:

Scott Murray wrote:This may be a test case.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hea ... 58523.html

The gist of this article is that the shooter may be charged with violating the 30.06 signs posted at the door. I don't believe such signs should be legally valid, since the George R. Brown is a publicly owned facility. The counter argument is that they are because they are being leased by a private party.

I do not believe they are valid even if it is private facility. 30.06 only applies to folks carry gun under CHL law. For example:

Three people enter a Gun Show with concealed handguns, one a Peace Officer with CHL, one a regluar Joe with CHL, and one a soccer mom without CHL. Will the Peace Officer get charged? No. Will the soccer mom get charged? No. So neither should the CHL. Whatever law allows a non-CHL to carry a handgun into a gun show should also apply to the CHL.

Likewise, I have been carrying handguns to gun shows legally since before I had a CHL. Whatever mechanism allowed that, continues to this day. What I am saying is, when I carry handgun to a Gun Show, I am not doing so under provisions of CHL law, so 30.06 does not apply.

Of course, bad facts make bad law so who knows what precedent will be set.

Very true...

The only clear fact is that he carried a loaded firearm into a place/event that has a rule, not a law, a rule (and a great rule it is) to not do so...No penalties are enumerated to any violation to that rule other than they may ask you to leave...Thats all I understand it to be...

But for myself, if I have to bring a firearm into a gunshow, it will already be unloaded, and the action zip tied...And any firearm I carry for self defense I will lock up in the vehicle safe outside the event and continue on with my business inside...That way I will always know what I have and what condition it is in...

The guy here at the gunshow didn't take adequate precautions...Nor did he prepare well...And he paid for that mistake and oversight...I don't think there is anyone here who would not be embarrassed or otherwise humiliated if this had happened to you...

The real question you have to ask yourself at this point is, is that this guy has not been charged, and is due to go speak to the police undoubtably this week...Would you go to that meeting without legal representation???

Let say his CHL has been confiscated, the firearms he had with him (at the time) have been confiscated...Do you think he should get them back soon??? Firearms, but maybe not the CHL over a short suspension...

GlockenHammer wrote:My position is that the TX CHL training should include a segment on gun safety, including handling and administrative tasks (with practicals). I'd also like to see some minimal marksmanship guidance. I agree with tomneal that even the stupid deserve the right of protection. I just think we should make a minimal effort at alleviating some of that stupidity in the CHL course.

I don't know...

I believe the general lesson plan is adequate to take care of how utterly important safety is when it comes to handling firearms of any type...

Stressing that we are going to be "safe" while on the range to conduct our qualifier, and that we are going to follow range rules while we shoot, I believe is enough of a warning to be on our toes and watchful, just to reduce the risk of accidents...

I suppose whatever an instructor wishes to devote to safety and general handling practices is up to them...Some do a great job explaining and fielding questions in a relatively short time, and others might go into greater detail and depth of discussion...Thats fine as well...

It has alway been my impression that the CHL class should be just about that, concealed carry, the law, qualification test...With safety obviously an overall factor in that days activities...

Getting additional training or instruction should be stressed as such, additional...And CHL instructors should consider making available information the students can access on their own recognitance (sp?)...

But thats just my opinion...

Doug.38PR wrote:Wow, those ND will get your attention. The whole floor of the show went dead silent after that shot

I bet it did...

Certainly puts a damper on the weekend...

But being shot accidentally or not, deserves to be surrounded by scores of HPD...While you are being treated at the scene...

(see this is where that "sarcastic" emoticon would come in handy)

I hope the guy who got shot ends up being ok...Thats the big thing to me...And that everyone else remembers to be safe and check the weapon before entering...

If I bring one in, it will already be unloaded, and the action zip tied back...

But thats just what I do...