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llwatson wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:Your instructor, pardon me for being blunt, is a knucklhead. IF you had warned these 3 males several times VERBALLY first, and they continued to approach, then producing a weapon could be appropriate. It is called escalation of force. It is called the force continuum. Again, read chapter 9 and tell me where in there 3 guys walking up to you justify producing your handgun as a FIRST resort.

It's a good thing this is an instructor renewal year... Sounds like someone needs a refresher.

Yes, sorry for my instructor. He's very "Gung-Ho". He even told the class if someone came up to him face to face and pointing a gun at him point blank, he will not stand down. He will actually try to pull his weapon out and kill the other guy first.

I was taught the wrong way, or law, about when to pull out my handgun. That's the reason why I'm doing these short scenario to clarify my understanding. I will read into the "Penal Code: Chapter 9" tonight when I have quiet time here at the house.

Liberty wrote:

Venus Pax wrote:Even as a woman, I wouldn't want to risk it. (And we ladies have other things to think about than our wallets.)
If I saw three men approaching me at any gas station, at ANY time, and I did not know them, I would assume they were up to no good.
I wouldn't pull my gun at this point, however (if I didn't see a weapon). I would take the gas pump from my car, get into the car, lock the doors, and drive away. Once I felt safe enough to do so, I would return to pay. (I usually wouldn't need to, as I pay at the pump, and the station would already have my card number.)

Your best bet is avoidance. (It's also cheaper.)

Now if they pull a weapon, or get too close and are threatening me, its a different story.

I would demand that they "Stand Back!", at a distance of 25 feet, there may not be time enough to secure the nozzel and get in the car. Although I do agree that is the best option if there is enough time and distance.

NguyenVanDon wrote:Here is the similar story from my CHL Instructor.

It is 12:30am at night. You're traveling from Dallas to Houston. You decided to pull over to the nearest gas station and refill. As you are refilling your gas, you see in a distant 3 males walking towards you. They have not done or said anything to you, but yet you expect they are a threat to you. They are getting closer about 25 feet away from you. By using only Force, not Deadly Force, are you allowed to draw your weapon out to just stop them from getting closer to you?

Class: No.

CHL Instructor: Yes you can.

He told the class he done this before. He has got off the hook plenty of times doing this. He told the class, if you happened to do it, call the cops right away. Report that you are a CHL Holder, its 12:30am at night, I were pumping gas, spot 3 males at a distant, they kept getting closer to you about 25 feet, I was afraid and felt threaten of my life that these 3 males going to do something so I draw my weapon out to warn them not to get any closer so I can have a chance to retrieve away from the situation.

Is he wrong or right for doing this?

Venus Pax wrote:

fm2 wrote:I wonder when/if the code will catch up to identity theft problem? Your identity is not so easily recovered.

Excellent point!

Charles L. Cotton wrote:As TX stated, robbery is a combination of two other crimes. A shorthand version is robbery is theft plus assault.

Chas.