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BTW, I;ve heard mixed information, and since I am not an avid hunter, I would like a consensus...

Do you need a hunting license for ferrel pigs??? Since they are not deemed "game" animals, therefore how do you regulate or justify tagging what you kill??? On your own property if they are considered a nuisance???

I have been told both stories...One said you do need a "general" hunting license??? and the other has stated you do not...

Plink wrote:Expansion in clay and duct seal might look impressive, but it tends to exagerate bullet performance in tissue. Frangibles do a lot of tissue damage alright, but they do it rather shallowly. Not deep enough to reach the vitals needed to shut down an attack now. If they need to pass through an arm on the way, all that's left is fragments to penetrate the torso. Just the pictures in the link above is enough to answer a lot of questions.

Thats true, but I believe the experiment shooting into clay and duct seal is fairly accurate to what it can do...And that is leave a massive wounding channel and plenty of energy to shock bodily processes...With a low probability of penetration beyond the intended target...

KinnyLee wrote:

stevie_d_64 wrote: He's probably got every barrel they have ever made up there, so my only "funny" quirk I have is how do you "really" sight in a NV scope???

Oh well, we'll figure something out somehow...

NV + EOTech 552 NV compatible. Done!

I've got the 511 mounted on my evil "black rifle", its got the variable intensity reticle...

But that would mean I'd have to take it off though...That would make me sad...

And putting all that on top of a TC would require a custom rail...

Either that, or I try to get a NV scope for the evil "black rifle"...And that would make me happy...

At that point, who would care what a .223/5.56 would do to a piggy...

I can imagine the good ole boy Game Warden nieghbor of mine might have a slight problem with hearing a higher than normal rate of fire after the sun goes down up there...

Those hogs up in N.E. Texas are really starting to be a problem to us on our digz up there...

They keep rooting up my Dad's private driving range when they roam through it from time to time...

It appears the only reliable hardware I have to effectively drop one, regardless of weight is the BAR 30.06 I got from my grandfather...

And seeings how they only get out active is at night up there, it makes it difficult to come into contact with one...

We've been trying to live trap them in big cages with corn for bait, and have trapped a few over a long period of time...

But I'd still like to drop one like a bad habit just to make me feel better...

One thing I'd like to do is rig up one of my Dad's TC Contender combo's with a NV scope and keep that handy for the occasional night recon run...

He's probably got every barrel they have ever made up there, so my only "funny" quirk I have is how do you "really" sight in a NV scope???

Oh well, we'll figure something out somehow...

DiverDn wrote:If I had the slightest reservations about carrying it, I wouldn't. I would hate to have it loaded up and need it, then not use it because of being worried about what would happen later. In the time to second guess you may be in a world of trouble.

If I had it and didn't want to carry it I would use it to function test your carry firearms, or sell it.
DD

Very true...Thats why I'm kinda on the fence with this stuff...

I like it because of its performance, and on my little test with it, I was impressed...

But the legal side of it causes me pause...

An over-zealous prosecution of a defensive shooting incident may hinge upon the determination that the ammunition used was "high-performance", thus premeditated that you had intent to "kill", even though you may state your intent was to "stop" the threat...Even if all the conditions of the use of deadly force were met...

See what I'm getting at???

Kinda funny how the "equipment" used could determine whether you are prosecuted or not...

I guess I just really wanted to see if anyone else loads up with this stuff...Its a local Texas company, and I really like doing business with companies like that, especially if the product they produce works like they say it works...

What amazed me the most about this stuff was the bullet weight...

.40 are at 77 gr's.

and your .45's at 80 gr's.

With the velocities they tout with nothing extra added to the powder used to propel them downrange...No +P loads...

And the energy into the target...Well... Getting hit/punched with a full swung 10# sledgehammer would seem like a preferable choice...

Fair enough "onerifle"...Interesting take...

Of course, I am not one to base my useage of equipment or ammo on what the armed forces or PD's around the country use, or are allowed to use...

As for the guys on "tacticalforum", sure, looks like a credible debate on the merits of the ammo in question...I sure don't have access to a spectral analysis machine just to verify the claims of a "blended" metal tip to this bullet...

But as far as the few (they are a little expensive to plink with ) rounds I have shot...I have shot them into a t-shirted, denim jacketed block of duct-seal...Needless to say the wounding characteristics are on par with the claims from the manufacturer...

You're absolutely right, you don't want to catch one of these...

I'm with you as well, I'm not a believer (or seeker) of magic bullets either...But this product seems to hold its own...

I'm actually thinking that this may not be a very good idea to carry (for self-defense purposes) this type of ammo...

It could, and very well may be used against you in court if it determined that you are using a high-performance "designed to kill" (lawyer-speak) ammunition...

Thats why, much to a lot of egg on my face, I have chosen to go back to my second choice of defensive ammo Speer - Gold Dots...

Thought it may still be interesting to see if anyone else cares to wiegh in on this topic...

I'm just thinking what I'm going to do with 60 or so rounds I have left...I sure don't want to waste them on paper...

Thanks "O.E.F"...

They taste like chicken...

I got hooked on the performance of this ammo a couple of years ago...

And understanding ammo discussions is like opening that can of worms you sometimes try to avoid...

Well, I just couldn't stand it anymore...

I figure this forum was the best to float the inevitable out there and get a decent up or down concensus from those here I trust with their thoughts...

Here's the website:

http://www.rbcd.net/

I actually won a few boxes in their website hit counter contest at 850,000...So I am a bit flush with this stuff...

Y'all be nice nah ya hear...