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tbrown wrote:As someone without a dog in the fight, let me ask, are you familiar with forum rule number two?

SlowDave wrote:Good discussion. I think I disagree with one aspect though. If the OP removes the firearm under a towel or whatever and does his best to hide it and place in the locker, hiding all the way, and someone somehow gets a little glimpse under the corner of a towel or whatever, to me, that is unintentional and is the same as the guy with the coat that rode up. He was trying to conceal it, just was unsuccessful. Conceal doesn't necessarily mean ON your body, right? Hence purse carry, etc. So, he was moving it from one concealed position to another concealed position under concealment, or at least attempted concealment.

Note: all the other issues are still there, such as taking the ride anyway, lawyer fees, someone seeing you transfer it and then breaking into your locker, etc. Just saying a failed transfer under cover would to me seem to be an unintentional lack of concealment. Thoughts?

Slowplay wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:Leave it in the car?

I know several people that have had wallets & other items stolen from locked lockers while at 24 hour fitness and Lifetime. An alarm on your car/truck and a bolted down console vault is also a good idea as vehicles get hit in gym parking lots too.

fickman wrote:A few things from my perspective:
1. Firearms are against the 24 Hour Fitness member contract. It's in the fine print, but it's not enforceable 30.06 language. If discovered, you won't be guilty of criminal trespass, but they can cancel your membership without compensation. I prepaid for mind, so that's a lot to lose. Concealed is concealed.

2. I keep a j-frame in my bag and normally I workout when it's slow enough that I can keep my bag with me.

3. The SuperSport where I go has a few private locker rooms with lockers, a toilet, and a shower inside. If you really need accommodation (and your gym has them), consider using those.

4. I agree with others regarding intentionally failing to conceal. A public restroom / locker room is still public. You have an expectation of privacy in the toilet stalls, but not in the locker room. (You have an expectation of privacy in the locker room to not be video recorded, but that's about it.)

5. I also looked at their video screens to know the security camera coverage for the parking lot. You might be surprised at which spots are covered and which ones aren't - the camera locations can be misleading. I always park squarely in the picture and you can see every approach angle of my vehicle. This tip was to help you, but if you go the same club I do, don't take my spot!

kjolly wrote:Something that has not been mentioned yet, is if someone sees you stashing the gun they might be tempted to break intot he locker and steal it.
Other scenio is we have a lot of scared liberals that look at guns with fear, trembling and a dime for 911.

Last Christmas overheard conversation of two co-workers on other side of office. One was complaining that his son wanted a toy gun for christmas and he cannot understand how his son got the idea as they do not let him watch any TV shows with guns. At the time I was using a homemade screensaver of guns and I went back to my office and changed screensavers so as not to offend anyone. seemed to me like this man needed a good course in handling guns and needs to take his son to the range to properly educate him. So many fathers in todays liberal society fail to teach their sons safe gun handling and shooting ettiqute.

Keith B wrote:

NorthDallas7 wrote:

C-dub wrote:The person with the coat was unintentional. Your action, while not malicious, is intentional. If someone sees you they could call the police and you could be arrested and it would be legitimate. Unless you change your tactic, you run this risk. Be careful.

I appreciate your response and concern and I will certainly change how I deal with this.

But how is my act any different from the guy with the coat? I fully INTENDED to conceal as he did, and the handgun was exposed UNINTENTIONALLY, like his was. In fact, one could argue mine is less serious because the time to place it in the locker is literally seconds compared to minutes , perhaps several minutes , of unintentional exposure with the guy with the coat.

I don't mean to say you are wrong, I just would like if you could explain how mine is INTENTIONAL and his wasn't.

Here is what another person says on another forum on this subject:

"An accidental or inadvertent exposure is not unlawful. Relax"

Again, not saying you are wrong, just looking for clarification. Thanks.

A coat shifting while seated is not intentional. You are intentionally transferring your gun from one location to another. If you can do so and totally conceal it, then you are fine. However, you will be in a gray area if you do not make a good enough effort to conceal it and someone does see it. Best bet is to do as others have said, step into a stall, transfer it to an enclosed pack, then transfer the pack to the locker. Reverse the process when putting the gun back on.

C-dub wrote:The person with the coat was unintentional. Your action, while not malicious, is intentional. If someone sees you they could call the police and you could be arrested and it would be legitimate. Unless you change your tactic, you run this risk. Be careful.