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drjoker wrote:"wrong place at wrong time?" Ha, ha! Just noticed that! There's no right time to be in the WRONG place, man!

Peace,

True that.

TAM. I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. The best idea is to not be in that position.
Secondly, they are not going to beat you to death, with out what they consider a good reason.
But you need to understand that if you shoot one of those guys, the club is not going to let it go. It's not over because you managed to put that one guy down. If fact, you've just upped the ante. Most likely, beating you to death is no longer enough.
The bullet may have put off the beat down you so graphically, and I'm sure accurately, described. But all you have done is defer the inevitable physical encounter with that club. That beating you described is now as likely to land on your wife, children, other relatives, or friends.
I'd far rather get beaten to death than live with somebody I love getting hurt because I didn't have the stones to live with the consequences of my bad judgment. You have to make your own decisions about "curling up." But for me, my "pride" is not worth the life of an innocent friend or relative.
Again, the best advice is don't be there.

I'm normally pretty slow to pipe in to these sort of discussions. Most of you folks seem to have much more knowledge and experience at these sort of situations than I do. But I'd like to throw out a couple of thoughts that come another side of my life.
When the OP mentioned colors, I just assumed bikers. That may not have been the case, and I know little to nothing about non-motorcycle gangs. And while I want to make it absolutely clear that I have never been a member of an out-law motorcycle club, many of my friends have been or are. While I avoid association with these groups as much as possible, I have been at events frequented by them and their members. Based on what I've seen of these groups, and on what knowledgeable friends have told me, here are some things I believe to be true. Things that it might well be good for all of us to remember.

1) There is no such thing as getting in a fight with A MC club member. There's not even such a thing as getting in a fight with SOME MC Club members. Any confrontation will be with ALL of them. Even the ones who's aren't physically there yet. If you're BA enough to whip the 6 standing in front of you, they'll send seven more.

2) You never win a fight with an MC club member. You may have ended this phase of the confrontation by injuring the guy bad enough that he can no longer attack you. (And that's probably a serious injury, because he is far more afraid of his club members finding out he lost a fight than he is of anything you can do to him.) You have only delayed the fight long enough for his buddies to come find you.

3) The club will never forget you. If they can't get to you, your friends and family will suffice until they can find you.

4) The beat down hurts and you may even carry permaniate physical reminders. But it will be over. If you shoot one of them, the rest of the club will be looking for you, your family, you're dog, or even your dogs girlfriend.

5) For the most part, non-club members are beneath their notice. Unless you do something stupid, they'll pretty much leave you alone.

My advice is, think long and hard about how important this is to you. Just don't get in a fight with one.

Edited: Change the word "biker" to "MC club member."