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by Vol Texan
Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:20 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Private U ?
Replies: 37
Views: 6333

Re: Private U ?

nightmare69 wrote:
Bruin98 wrote:
oohrah wrote:Hey everybody, please read SB11. Private universities must post 30.06 to prohibit concealed carry on campus, in buildings, or at stadiums. Sure they can put it in the employee rules, and fire me if I violate their rules, but they cannot call LEO and have me arrested, unless they post.

Both public and private institutions will have to post 30.06 to identify the places where concealed carry is not allowed - 411.2031 (d-1), and 46.035 (a-2) and (a-3).
But how many signs? A mall is effectively posted if it posts the main entrance but not the stores that allow access to the mall.

So how many signs will these private schools have to put up?
They don't have to post any.
OK, so now let's get to the actual intent of the OP's question, without mincing the words too much.

Let's assume, for the sake of this exercise, that the school chooses to use the method of posting signs to block carriers. Let's assume that this is a private university, as the OP asks. Now, in this case, I would believe that they'd have to post signs virtually all over campus, at each building. No, the law doesn't say 'at every entrance' for 30.06, but I don't think that if a particular building has 8 regularly used entrances, and they posted only the front door (which, in this fictional example, is not used all that often, because the students transiting campus from all directions come in through the others more often), that would be enough. Sure, if someone sees it, they are notified, but if they don't, then they are not.

Could the school in this situation simply post all entrances to the campus? Sure, that might work, assuming none of the students take public transportation in (thereby not reading things out the windows), or none of them walk onto campus between the streets from a neighborhood close by.

Short answer, the school is going to be buying lots of signs. How many? There is no set requirement.
by Vol Texan
Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:58 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Private U ?
Replies: 37
Views: 6333

Re: Private U ?

nightmare69 wrote:
Bruin98 wrote:Why wouldnt they have to post a sign?

Not all schools are known? For instance, mist people dont know that U of Miami is a private school.

If I werent from Texas, I might not know Baylor is private. Not everybody is up to date on school status.
Private universities don't have to post signs for the same reasons as: ISDs, US post offices, airports, etc. It's up to you, the license holder to educate yourself. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Are you suggesting that instead of posting 30.06 to "opt out" of campus carry, they would have to proactively "opt in"? I may be incorrect, but I didn't think that was it.

The way I understand it is (and I'm in a hurry to type this, so please forgive my lack of lawyer-quality precision here):
  • Campus Carry will be allowed on college campuses.
  • Public institutions may identify some specific rules, as long as they do not generally prohibit across campus.
  • Private institutions still have the right to ban outright.
If this is correct, then you're right, they don't have to post. Nobody is required to post - not HEB, nor Chucky Cheese. But if they want to prohibit firearms, then they do have to post (or use one of the other methods described for notification). Not posting enables the default position of 'carry is OK here'.

If I've got this wrong, I welcome anyone to point me in the right direction.

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