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by Jim Beaux
Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:29 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71813

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

gljjt wrote:
Jim Beaux wrote:
Double Naught Spy wrote:For those of you who think that when a business opens their private property doors to the public that they lose some of their private property rights, you are 100% correct.

You are also 100% wrong in thinking that they lose control over the gun issue, however. It is all stipulated in the law. How hard is that to understand? It isn't you who is being discriminated against, but your gun. Your gun has no rights and your right to carry a gun in somebody else's business stops at the door if that is what they wish.

A business loses certain rights being open to the public and the public loses certain rights when going onto the property of another individual or entity.
Explain what rights are lost.
Free speech. Bad mouth a business on their property and see what happens. Continually have vocal outbursts in a movie theater and see what happens. Preach in mall and see what happens.
Regardless of where you do it, libel & disruptive behavior is not a right - but Im not gonna argue the point with you.:tiphat:
by Jim Beaux
Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:19 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71813

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

Double Naught Spy wrote:For those of you who think that when a business opens their private property doors to the public that they lose some of their private property rights, you are 100% correct.

You are also 100% wrong in thinking that they lose control over the gun issue, however. It is all stipulated in the law. How hard is that to understand? It isn't you who is being discriminated against, but your gun. Your gun has no rights and your right to carry a gun in somebody else's business stops at the door if that is what they wish.

A business loses certain rights being open to the public and the public loses certain rights when going onto the property of another individual or entity.
Explain what rights are lost.
by Jim Beaux
Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:12 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71813

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

jmra wrote:
Jim Beaux wrote:
jmra wrote:
F350-6 wrote:So walking into a place that is not posted and then leaving when being asked to leave and letting them know you won't spend money there is a bad tactic? Should we be obeying the gunbuster signs too?

I remember when 30.06 was new and all the places that posted signs for fear of all the massacres. Many of those signs came down when management was informed about lost customers and the big shoot outs never came to be.

I've never slung a rifle and walked into any business. Don't agree with what OCT did. But if, (big if) the story is true, Whataburger needs to pick a side. Either post the proper sign or keep their mouth shut. The law is clearly spelled out for them.
If you know that a business has published a statement that they do not want OC and you go there and OC for the purpose of being told to leave, yes that is a bad tactic.
Could be a good tactic.

I see no advantage to OC and dont plan to do so - but this could be a good opportunity to change minds about gun owners.

If it were me being told to leave I would be courteous & make it obvious that I was leaving - but would ask the employee if he happened to be the manager (probably would be). I would then introduce myself, shake hands & explain I was a long time customer and was disappointed that the company didnt want my business. I would wish him/her a good day & leave. (I wouldnt be surprised if I was offered a gift card or something, that I would politely decline)

After bouncing several courteous and well mannered customers I think there would be a reconsideration - especially after the furor dies down.
I don't believe someone who entered an establishment for the sole purpose of being kicked out of it understands the concept of courteous and well mannered.
Worked for MLK!

:lol: I get a rash when some here just has to have the last word, but I just couldnt resist this. I think both sides have a legitimate point. Personally I dont like hassling those who are trying to make a living & wouldnt be comfortable going to a place where Im not wanted. :cheers2:
by Jim Beaux
Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:10 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71813

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

jmra wrote:
F350-6 wrote:So walking into a place that is not posted and then leaving when being asked to leave and letting them know you won't spend money there is a bad tactic? Should we be obeying the gunbuster signs too?

I remember when 30.06 was new and all the places that posted signs for fear of all the massacres. Many of those signs came down when management was informed about lost customers and the big shoot outs never came to be.

I've never slung a rifle and walked into any business. Don't agree with what OCT did. But if, (big if) the story is true, Whataburger needs to pick a side. Either post the proper sign or keep their mouth shut. The law is clearly spelled out for them.
If you know that a business has published a statement that they do not want OC and you go there and OC for the purpose of being told to leave, yes that is a bad tactic.
Could be a good tactic.

I see no advantage to OC and dont plan to do so - but this could be a good opportunity to change minds about gun owners.

If it were me being told to leave I would be courteous & make it obvious that I was leaving - but would ask the employee if he happened to be the manager (probably would be). I would then introduce myself, shake hands & explain I was a long time customer and was disappointed that the company didnt want my business. I would wish him/her a good day & leave. (I wouldnt be surprised if I was offered a gift card or something, that I would politely decline)

After bouncing several courteous and well mannered customers I think there would be a reconsideration - especially after the furor dies down.
by Jim Beaux
Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:09 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71813

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

Right2Carry wrote:
E.Marquez wrote:
Jim Beaux wrote:I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"
You may have a problem, but I see it as your understanding of the 2nd amendment and property rights. ...not the stance of a burger joint.

You have a right to own a weapon, and if licensed carry it concealed.. you have NO right to a mediocre burger .. so feel free to carry your weapon .. you can carry it at home on your property, and in many public places, and on others private property unless they inform you otherwise. But the same as you can tell someone to stay off your property, others, even burger joint owners can tell you to stay off thiers.
Personally I would want it no other way.

I never have understood how some 2nd amendment supporters can fail to understand property rights
My opinion is that if you choose to open your doors to the public, you give up some of your property rights. Nobody is making these businesses open their doors to the public. Again if you want invite the public in you must accept the consequences. Just my .02 right or wrong.
This is consistent with the laws for handicapped access & parking. There is a difference between private property and private property intended for public access.

It's ironic to see a small drive in store with 4 parking spaces having to give up 25% of it's parking for the occasional handicapped customer & a big box (Walmart, Lowes) only having to reserve less than 5%.
by Jim Beaux
Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:51 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71813

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

E.Marquez wrote:
Jim Beaux wrote:I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"
You may have a problem, but I see it as your understanding of the 2nd amendment and property rights. ...not the stance of a burger joint.

You have a right to own a weapon, and if licensed carry it concealed.. you have NO right to a mediocre burger .. so feel free to carry your weapon .. you can carry it at home on your property, and in many public places, and on others private property unless they inform you otherwise. But the same as you can tell someone to stay off your property, others, even burger joint owners can tell you to stay off thiers.
Personally I would want it no other way.

I never have understood how some 2nd amendment supporters can fail to understand property rights

I dont appreciate your condescension, & your assumptions are baseless in regards to what I understand.
by Jim Beaux
Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:27 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71813

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"

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