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by Skiprr
Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:32 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
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Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

I received the final parts yesterday (BCG) for a new AR-15 and, of course, had to put it together today. I can't really call it a "build" since I opted to buy an assembled Spike's Tactical standard lower because Primary Arms had it in stock at the same price as Spike's but without the four- to eight-week wait.

This is a no-frills, inexpensive rifle that I really didn't intend to build. I had decided simply to buy a lower to store on a shelf in the safe...the rest I blame on AndyC (http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84691). I also blame him for the five new gen-3 window PMAGs and 1,000 rounds of 5.56 plinking ammo. And now I absolutely cannot fit another long-gun in my safe. If I want another, I either have to sell one to make room...or buy another safe.

Specs:
  • Lower Receiver: Spike's Tactical with standard kit and trigger
  • Stock: Standard M4 with standard buffer
  • Barrel: E.R. Shaw 5.56 NATO; 16" plus standard A2 muzzle brake; 4140 chrome molly steel; 1/7" twist; phosphate finished, hard anodized
  • Upper Receiver: APF 7075 T6-forged
  • BCG: AB Arms Pro nickel boron; heat treated, shot peened, and manganese phosphate coated
  • Fore-end: APF T-Mod 12.5" Picatinny rail; free-float; 6061 aluminum; CNC machined and hard anodized
  • Charging Handle: AXTS Raptor ambidextrous; machined from 7075 aluminum
  • Backup Sights: Magpul flip-up MBUS, spring-loaded for rapid deployment
  • Optic: EOTech...which thankfully I already had and didn't have to buy
  • Still to buy: a quality two-point sling
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Nothing like a brand-new, shiny, completely untarnished bolt carrier group.

Now I just need to get it to the range and dirty up that BCG...and hope the rifle doesn't explode. ;-)
by Skiprr
Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:33 am
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

RSJ wrote:Here are a few of mine.
Just a note that you may want to rethink the orientation of those shotshells in the sidesaddle.

Consider placing them primer-down.
by Skiprr
Tue May 08, 2012 11:31 am
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

The Annoyed Man wrote: Skiprr, have you had a chance to compare it to a regular gas-impingement AR10 of otherwise comparable configuration?

I love my AR10, but I'll admit that it seems to be finicky about ammo......not from a reliability perspective, but from an accuracy perspective. After talking to 2 or 3 other AR10 shooters who had booths at the Silencers are Legal event at Elm Fork last weekend, the consensus was that AR10s are not as easy peasy to set up as AR15s. I don't know if that's true for most, but it has certainly been true for me. I've just had the devil's own time trying to track down a reloading "sweet spot" for mine. It should be a .5-.75 MOA rifle. So far, the best I've been able to get out of it is 1.0-1.5 MOA.......not to shabby for a battle rifle, but mine is configured as a SASS, and it should do much better than that.
Sorry for the late response, but you weren't missing anything. I've never owned an AR10 platform; have pulled the trigger on some a few times, as well on FAL and M1A platforms, but I'm not experienced enough to comment about relative accuracy.

Too boot, I'm not a long-range shooter. If I can put rounds in a six-inch circle at 200 yards, that's about as good as it gets for me. My POF is setup primarily as a CQB rifle, with the 16.5" barrel and a red-dot sight plus flip-to-side magnifier. So I can't hope for sub MOA shots even at 100 yards--'cause I can't hold on anything finer than 1 MOA anyway--and I've never fixed the rifle in a sled to test mechanical accuracy.

And I don't hand-load, so have never tried to fine-tune the 7.62 ammo for the POF. That said, the best accuracy results I've had--and this is strictly anecdotal, meaning I might have had better trigger control one day than another--have been with Hornady 155-grain A-MAX Match, Federal 165-grain Trophy Bonded (the load with a 2,700 fps muzzle velocity; there is a different, hotter Federal load that also uses this bullet), and Hornady 168-grain TAP. I would have thought the 155-grain bullet would have performed less predictably than the heavier ones. Holdover is different at longer ranges, natch, but I think the A-MAX is the most accurate I've shot, overall.

All that aside, I wouldn't think the POF gas piston system would be any more or less mechanically accurate than a more traditional Stoner-like platform. I mean, lock-up and extraction isn't inherently different. I'd think it would mostly come down to the barrel.

Of interest is that POF originally offered a 24" barrel option, but settled on 20" as the longest barrel. My understanding is that the 24-incher was less accurate than shorter barrels, including the 16.5, because the longer dwell time allowed more bullet-travel impact from the motion caused by the gun's reciprocating action. One additional reason that a long-barreled semi-auto may be less accurate than a bolt-action piece.

Fit, finish, and other stuff notwithstanding, the most important feature of the POF for me is the gas piston system. Even moderate .308 loads feel barely stiffer than shooting a .223. Follow-up shots are easy and quick. Too, very little internal build-up occurs while shooting. After 50 rounds of either Hornady load, the bolt carrier group doesn't even look like it needs a wipe-down. I generally shoot cheaper Prvi or milsurp brass, but even then the fouling is negligible.

Maybe, if I get rich, I'll get a second POF with a 20" barrel, put a real scope on it, and try to hit something farther out than 200 yards. :mrgreen:
by Skiprr
Tue May 01, 2012 9:18 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

Got my POF in October 2009 after a 16-month wait:

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The photos are old, and before Troy flip-ups front and rear, an EOTech and flip-to-side magnifier, Harris bipod, and Spec-Ops sling. But the rifle looks just the same.

I ordered it at entirely the wrong time, it turns out, but in the end I'll take the long wait from the factory 'cause if I could have only a single rifle, this would be the one.
by Skiprr
Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:46 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

stevie_d_64 wrote:Y'all should see the scope upgrade...oooooooo-weeeeeeeee!!!
I think Shaft and his upgraded scope deserve a better photo. Just sayin'. :mrgreen:
by Skiprr
Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:33 am
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

rebel8ball wrote:here are my black beauties, I suppose the ak is not 'technically' a black gun, at least not till the black furniture gets added ;)
I'm disturbed by your signature. I think it sends an inapproriate message.

I'm just sayin.
by Skiprr
Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:18 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

longhorn_92 wrote: We've been waiting for over a year to see your "baby pictures".... mighty fine!! I look forward to hearing a range report!!
:thumbs2: :thumbs2:
Brother, you've been with me the whole time.

If you're in or around Greater Houston, let me know. After I gently break her in, I'd be privileged to have you shoot her.

This is my all-purpose "keeper" Black Gun.
by Skiprr
Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:42 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

Below is the newest addition to the family, one that had a 16-month gestation period: I placed the order in May 2008, and the rifle arrived a couple of weeks ago. It's a Patriot Ordnance .308 gas-piston "Recon Rifle" with a 16-inch barrel. This is precisely as the rifle shipped from POF, with the exception of a rear Troy folding batttle sight; the base rifle does not ship with a rear sight. I also got a Troy folder for the front, but I wanted to take a few photos before installing that, an optic, or a bipod. The lack of a bipod, BTW, is why the out-of-place box of Winchester shot shells is in the pictures...I needed something to hold the rifle upright.

And I need to apologize in advance because my camera is about to be ready for a landfill. I had to take three times the number of photos posted here just to get a few useable ones. You should see the bizarre, psychedelic results I got on some of the other shots. And I definitely think it's a dying microship in the digital camera, not an early Halloween poltergeist. ;-)

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A better look from the rear at the full-length, Modular Railed Receiver (MRR).

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Angled from the front, this better shows the fluted barrel with the BC-A5 muzzle brake, crenulated for use as an impact instrument; also a better look at the gas plug that is one-turn adjustable to adapt to fire with a suppressor or heavy loads.

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Closer to straight-on you can see how much cooling space is allowed in the fully-free-floating barrel design.

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Another side view that, again, shows all the venting space around the gas tube and barrel, and gives a better look at the heavily reinforced and flared mag well, and the enlarged fore-end of the trigger guard.

I may be slow getting to it--after all, waiting for the rifle taught me more patience--but I'll definitely do a range report once we spend some quality time together.
by Skiprr
Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:56 am
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

Ya know, as long as that photo has been circulating on the Net, something has always bothered me: What the heck is that hunk of fur sticking out back near where the stock should be? :???:

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I wouldn't mind having one of the three Trijicons the guy has stuck on this thing, though. At least I think it's three. My guess is three Trijicons, two Aimpoints, and whatever the big refractor is on top. Sometimes, having too much rail space is a bad thing... :smilelol5:
by Skiprr
Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:12 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

A new Saiga! Cool.

I'm wantin' to find a Saiga 12-gauge with the normal set of custom tweaks, but I'm just not finding anything I'm comfortable with ordering. A few small shops seem to still be selling, but I've read of long-delay horror stories, where money is collected first, and a year later people are still waiting on their guns. A Tromix was what I wanted, but sometime in October they announced they were completely shutting done new orders for guns or parts until they cleared up their current backlog...expected to be sometime in 2011!
by Skiprr
Sat May 03, 2008 2:10 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

Since I got so excited about LCplMustafa ordering himself a POF .308, I'm afraid I started to hijack this thread. :smash:

So I started a new one specifically for .308 rifles, ammo, and accessories. 'Cause I know I'm gonna have questions about that rifle once he gets some range time with it. :cool:
by Skiprr
Fri May 02, 2008 8:04 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

LCplMustafa wrote:I've been looking at home defense shotguns that don't have a buttstock, just a pistol grip. Anybody have any opinion about it?
Shucks. I always have an opinion. Doesn't mean it's worth a plug nickel, but pull up a chair and I'll sure be glad to talk.

I'm not a fan of pistol-grip-only stocks. A few reasons for this.

1. The biggest disadvantage of a shotgun in CQB--particularly inside a building with hallways and doorways--is its length: it's easier for a bad guy to block or take away than a handgun. It's the barrel length that makes the difference. A pistol-grip-only stock really doesn't buy you any shortening of real estate over a standard stock, or one like the SpecOps that incorporates a pistol grip and shoulder buttstock. In proper close-body, depressed-carry position, you can mount to shoulder maybe a millisecond slower than you can go barrel-up with a pistol-grip-only stock.

2. In CQB, one advantage of a shotgun over a handgun is that you can use the shotgun as a striking weapon if you have to. Pistols aren't terribly good for this, and neither are shotgun barrels. A shotgun buttstock, though, can be employed quite handily...particularly synthetic stocks that can take a lot of abuse. No fulcrum to be gained from a pistol-grip-only stock.

3. A pistol-grip-only shotgun can only be used, really, in the "assault-fire" position: basically, shooting unsighted from the hip or mid-body. Trying to sight it with iron sights puts your head in a very awkward position relative to the back of the firearm...and potential recoil right into your face if you peer too closely at the sights (I'm assuming a 12-gauge here with standard loads).

Now, something like a holographic sight down mid-length along the barrel might work for aimed shots, but otherwise you end up with a longarm you can't really aim for accuracy. And if you do have to shoot in "assault-fire" position, tucking the traditional buttstock tight against your body, under your arm, provides a far better platform for stability and follow-up shots (especially with a pump: managing recoil and cycling the action quickly with a pistol-grip-only makes for a wobbly firearm).

4. You can effectively shoot an aimed shot one-handed with a buttstock if you have to. It's darned difficult to take an aimed shot with a pistol-grip-only shotgun, and next to impossible to do it with only one hand. I suppose there are guys who can hold a 45-pound Olympic weightlifting plate straight out in front of them with only one hand for 30 seconds without shaking, but they're few and far between.

5. One of the only things I think pistol-grip-only shotguns have going for them is that they can be packed into a smaller bag or case for transport. Not a big item in the "plus" column, and that can be overcome with a folding stock...though I still like those less than a fixed or telescoping stock.

As always, my opinion in this electronic forum is worth precisely as much as the paper it's printed on. :tiphat:
by Skiprr
Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:47 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

LCplMustafa wrote:Well, I took the plunge, and ordered myself a POF-308.
:clapping: Wonderful! I still haven't convinced myself to order one, but your firsthand experience with it will make a difference.

Looking forward to range report and review.

And since I either didn't see or forgot to answer ScubaSigGuy's question, now we can both ask you: What are you thinking about for optics?

I have a feeling I'd stick with EOTech because I have a 552 I could swap to the new rifle. But I'd definitely want to pick up one of their magnifiers and the flip-to-side mount. The 4x is almost twice the price of the 3x, so I might go with the lower magnification. An Aimpoint CompM4 with a magnifier would be sweet, but I figure that setup would run about $1,300. Since I think I can pick up the EOTech 3x magnifier and base for under $400, I think I could find something else to do with the other 900 bucks.

Oh yeah: Post pics when you get the rifle. Maybe we'll need to start a POF shooters sub-forum. ;-)
by Skiprr
Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:05 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

LCplMustafa wrote:I've been looking at a POF 308, but I haven't heard too much about it. The local dealers don't know anything about it either. I've read the website, and checked a couple other forums, but I am hoping someone here has an opinion on them. http://www.pof-usa.com
I had a chance to shoot one early this month, and I confess I've thought about ordering one every day since. It's a war between my frugal conscience and the fact that I really really want one. :shock:

It was an absolutely beautifully made gun, and a dream to shoot. The gas piston action renders the .308 recoil to little more than a .223; fast follow-up shots are no more difficult to keep on target than with the much lighter rounds. The one I shot had the PRS stock and--I think--the 16.5" barrel. The trigger was light with a very clean break and short reset. The rifle was new to the owner, so I have no firsthand experience about the durability and reliability...but I will say that 10 of us shot the gun that day, multiple rounds and on the move, and it functioned perfectly.

I'm trying to talk myself out of buying one: it isn't an inexpensive rifle; stocking up on .308 ammo will be more expensive than maintaining my stock of .223; I absolutely know I'll spend another $800-$1,000 on optics; and I don't know how often I'd get a chance to take it out and run it.

I dunno. I still want one...
by Skiprr
Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:42 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Black Guns"
Replies: 760
Views: 202571

Re: Pictures of your "Black Guns"

shipwreck wrote:
Tactical_Texan_CHL wrote:Cool. I always wanted to play with one of those! How do you like it, Shipwreck?
It rocks. It is my all time fav rifle. Love the ergonomics, the 50 round mags, and lack of recoil.

Despite what the naysayers claim about the caliber, there has been some tests done by members at my forum, and I am comfortable in using the round for self defense.
It looks like a whopping distance between the bore-line and optic sight-line. Maybe five inches?

How have you managed to make that suitable for CQC? At what distance are you zeroed?

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