No, hkshooter, that's not it at all. You've been nothing but civil and soft-spoken, and I think I speak for all of us in saying that we value your membership and participation. We absolutely don't want to run you off!hkshooter wrote:I think this thread has gone way off topic and it's now a thread about my personal beliefs and how they are apparently not welcome here. My apologies to the OP. I won't be posting again.
Strong stances force people to think about their own personal philosophies. That's a good thing. Without questioning, there is no discourse and no learning.
I don't think anything has been a personal attack, or meant as such. I know txinvestigator well enough, for example, to know that his own strong stances are not directed as individual assaults. And I meant my question only as a Socratic "what-if" scenario.
There are far too many Internet Forums related to guns, martial arts, and self-defense that are uncontrolled and sink quickly into a useless swamp of personal insults and name-calling. That's why this is the only one I frequent. And we need you to stay.
This may not work, but I'll try to get us back on the Topic headline.
My Fortune 500 company--which will never be named--has a very noxious (to RKBA CHLers) weapons policy. I say "weapons" because that's the wording in the HR policy, and it includes not only firearms but any type of knife (every time I use my letter opener in the office, I wonder if that's in violation).
The buildings themselves are all posted 30.06 compliant. The parking lots are not posted, though most of them could be (they are private, secured, and guard-access controlled). The HR policy (to which we must signify our notification, understanding, and agreement annually) does not use strict 30.06 wording, but does state the parking lots and any company-controlled property are included in the policy, as are all customer company premises. This means that if you travel to a customer location for sales or delivery, etc., you are considered under the absolutely-no-weapons policy. Company-controlled property includes vehicles, and is extended to include your personal vehicle if being used for company business.
No firearms, no knives (unless part of your job description: e.g., electrician), no weapons of any kind. The policy includes a statement that, by employment, the employee grants permission to search.
Can I be charged with a criminal misdemeanor because I carried my 3-inch Spyderco into the building once to open boxes? Nope. Can I be fired for it? You betcha.
If I carry my Kimber into my office, can I be charged with a criminal misdemeanor? You betcha. If I drive into the parking lot with it but keep it locked up in the car, can I be charged with a criminal misdemeanor? You betcha, because our annual acknowledgement of the HR policy includes a statement that we have been "told" about the policy. Can I be fired for either of these infractions regardless of criminal prosecution? You betcha.
In my case, I've been with this company a long time, the longest tenure of my 30 years in the full-time workforce. I never breach this, or any other, 30.06 posting. However, I do carry a pistol (two, in fact, and extra mags and two knives) in my car, and keep it locked in a Center of Mass lockbox while in a company or customer parking lot. I have no real option but to park in the company parking lot; nothing else close by.
So I follow most of the rules to the letter. All but one.
, but I'm curious. If you were convicted, would you, after you do the time, attempt to possess firearms or ammunition?