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I'm personally not interested in a protracted line by line discussion and analysis. But I do kinda resent it when people just make up stuff and tell me I said things I didn't, then come online and flame me for what I "said," and so on. Yes, of course, it's possible to take a 9mm through the heart and still be kicking, although I would wager that was ball ammo, not a Gold Dot HP.

The examples given weren't really valid, except to provide fodder to attack me with. The lady who was "shot between the eyes with a .44 magnum" was in fact a woman riding in a car, shot through the front windshield with a ".44 caliber bullet," most likely lead. It broke in two when it hit her forehead and each piece flew laterally. That's a far cry from blowing her brains out the back of her skull with a Dirty Harry gun.

Same goes for the guy who was "shot point blank in the forehead." He encountered 3 bad guys, some "shots were fired" and one shot "struck him in the forehead." That's it. That's all it said. Nothing about "point blank," etc. That was added embellishment.

And yes, a heart shot could be deflected, in some cases, by bone. But then it's not a heart shot anyway.

Likewise, I never "advised" anybody to do anything, as I was accused of doing. I just stated that if I put a potent round through your heart or cranium, you're going down. I originally said "for good," but I will change that to "almost certainly for good." Of course, you may need multiple shots to put somebody down. Anybody knows that.

I'm pretty well done with this topic thread.

Cheers,
Ruark

baldeagle wrote: I take exception to this on two grounds. First of all, as I pointed out earlier the doctor got the 6 out of 7 number from CDC statistics for all gunshot victims across the US for one year. If you want to argue with that, then I don't know what to say. Do you really think the CDC is lying?

Second, to make a blanket statement like "Trust me, if somebody puts a +P+ round through at attacker's chest and/or head, he's going down, and for good" flies in the face of the very video that we're discussing, where the doctor showed a patient who was shot COM with a .45 and survived. Representative Giffords was shot in the head, and she's walking around, living proof that your statement isn't always true.

I really don't want to start a back and forth debate here, but it would be helpful if you would at least read a post before you spit on it.

Did I say the CDC is lying? No, I'm just clarifying what those statistics mean. It's a survival rate for ALL gunshot victims, which includes those who shoot themselves in the foot. It's not like if you shoot somebody through the ears with a .500 Nitro Express, he has a 6/7 chance of surviving.

Same applies for the other statement. I didn't say COM, I said chest or head. Yes, Giffords survived a 9mm through the head, but she was bent over at the time - the round entered the top of her head and came out the back, just clipping part of the brain. She wasn't exactly shot between the eyes.

And yes, if I put a potent expanding round through your chest (i.e., heart) or through your head (i.e. in the forehead and out the back), you ARE going down. For good.

And yes, if you get immediate medical attention, you have a greater chance of surviving (if your head isn't blown off) than if you don't. Wow, whoever said that must be a real genius.

My whole purpose in these statements is to simply point out that saying "6 out of 7 gunshot victims survive" is so broad and global, it's really meaningless.

magicglock wrote:I think the numbers are skewed from the doctors view. Yes, 6 of 7 that end up in the ER survive but that does not include those that never made it to the ER. For an accurate representation of the survival rate you have to count both methods of transportation, the coroner van and the ambulance.

Nor does it account for the accidental injuries and the misses that hit non-vital areas. Statistically, looking at ALL gunshot wounds, that 6 out of 7 might be true. Trust me, if somebody puts a +P+ round through at attacker's chest and/or head, he's going down, and for good. In addition, there's the huge variability, mostly psychological, of how people react to being shot. Some fall to the ground in hysteria if they get winged by a .22. Others take a cylinder full of .357s and they're still standing up and running around. There are just a huge, huge number of variables here; it's really meaningless to make a blanket statement like "6 out of 7 people with gunshot wounds survive."