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philip964 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:29 am https://news.yahoo.com/police-officer-l ... 24546.html

Police officer who was found not guilty of murder by a jury, was rehired by the department so that he could file for PTSD disability and retire and receive. $30,000 a year pension.

I find that outcome absolutley disgusting.

eureka40 wrote:There were six cops on that scene, video from the motel lobby shows them getting on the elevator together. If six cops can't handle one drunk guy without shooting/killing him, that dept has a serious problem.

Exactly ! The guy was drunk. He did not shoot at anyone. The call was only that someone saw "a gun sticking out of a window". The man did not resist arrest in any shape, form or fashion. He tried his best to comply with the conflicting and confusing demands being yelled at him--while begging them not to shoot him. These SWAT tactical assaults are being grossly overused and with far too many tragic results. They are the result of the militarization of many police departments and other LE agencies which, under the mantra "our first priority is to make sure we make it home safely ", approach every call with the preconception that they may encounter a crazed killer. While that situation does happen, statistically the vast majority of officers will never be in a live situation requiring them to discharge their weapon--EVER. There is no real justification for this "us against them" attitude. I saw some abuses of authority back in the 70's by some of the officers I worked with, but nothing ever close to approaching some of the stuff we see today. I didn't like the ones that bullied people then, and I hate it now.

olafpfj wrote:Lost at a life or death game of Simon Says...

There was no way to win when you're presented with a list of things that will get you shot and then ordered to perform actions that almost guarantee you will do one of those actions.

Unbelievable!

Especially when he's been told to get flat on the floor with his arms stretched straight out in front of him and he does--at that point he is not a threat and one of the officers could quickly step over and restrain him but instead he is ordered to get back up on his knees and put his hands behind his head--and he does while begging them not to shoot him. Again instead of being cuffed he is then ordered to crawl toward them on his hands and knees--that just makes no sense whatsoever.

Liberty wrote:The cop was screaming, conflicting and confusing orders. The young man was scared and seemed to be doing his best to comply. The Officer kept saying he was gonna kill the boy for the slightest infraction.

Absolutely ! Whoever was doing the yelling at him was making the situation much worse with each command he SCREAMED at the poor guy. A stone cold sober person would have had a hard time obeying all the commands being shouted at him rapid fire under any circumstances, much less when you don't even understand why it's happening. The man KNEW he was in a precarious situation and was pleading and begging them not to shoot him repeatedly. He may have been drinking, but he understood that he was in imminent danger and was trying his best to comply. I think it's a disgrace that the shooter was found not guilty, but the civil trial will probably have a much different result, but that still won't bring him back to his family.